My plan to enter the DD world

[Clive]

Doesn't it have to be incorporated?!
Thought you had 24hrs or something?

What's the definition of a cultivation ? I plan to just roll !

 

[JCfarmer]

I'd somehow forgotten it!

I think I would incorporate it after the OSR using the subsoiler with discs.

You could fly over it with a combi then, do a great job! I can talk myself around in circles on this subject, I don't know about you? Agree with Static, no one plan suits or drill. And get a seeder for your subsoiler for rape, does a great job.

 

[B&B Pig Man]

You could fly over it with a combi then, do a great job! I can talk myself around in circles on this subject, I don't know about you? Agree with Static, no one plan suits or drill. And get a seeder for your subsoiler for rape, does a great job.

Already do rape like that off subsoiler - agree - fantastic job.

I'm nearly dizzy I've been going in so many circles!
Just can't make my mind up!

 

[Will Blackburn]

Why can't you leave the muck on top, good thin even layer is best then drill through it. Only cats bury there sh*t?

Or then again apply to growing crops, I've got some biosolids that I want to this with as there was no time between combining and drilling?

 

[JCfarmer]

Its a feckin

Already do rape like that off subsoiler - agree - fantastic job.

I'm nearly dizzy I've been going in so many circles!
Just can't make my mind up!

Its a feckin nightmare! I want no yield penalty but I want to save on fuel and some labour. Say I could save around 45l/ha in diesel by going strip til, that's about £29. But you do have some extra costs in sowing wheat earlier? And then there is blackgrass control. I wouldn't save any diesel on rape drilling though.Think pig muck would have to be incorporated with in 24hrs cus of the smell, similar but not as bad as chicken shite which feckin horrendous! If growing second wheat you would really have to apply latitude cus of earlier drilling?£30/ha

 

[SilliamWhale]

You don't get yield penalty with DD.

Not sure how long second wheats will last long term though

 

[B&B Pig Man]

Where has this talk of second wheats come from?
I only have one wheat in my plan?!

WW Spr Beans WB WOSR

 

[07tractorman]

My advice after 3 years of doing it is to forget it,the small savings you make will soon dissappear in slug pellets and yield loss.

 

[franklin]

Thing is that you could surely do your rotation with the kit you have already got? You could easily subsoil after the rape and drill as now, also WB after the beans. Saving you a pass is great, but seems like a lot of dosh for some new tin. I presume you are baling the cereal straw?

It's not a big leap if you are keeping existing kit. But sounds like you are weighing up the benefits to adding an expensive drill for a small saving in time and fuel over the area it would be used. And it is also not a drill that can be used in full zero-till if you want to later. Why not upgrade existing drill to a Moore or one of these fancy JD's, subsoil everything and use the disc drill after subsoiling and rolling?

 

[B&B Pig Man]

Thing is that you could surely do your rotation with the kit you have already got? You could easily subsoil after the rape and drill as now, also WB after the beans. Saving you a pass is great, but seems like a lot of dosh for some new tin. I presume you are baling the cereal straw?

It's not a big leap if you are keeping existing kit. But sounds like you are weighing up the benefits to adding an expensive drill for a small saving in time and fuel over the area it would be used. And it is also not a drill that can be used in full zero-till if you want to later. Why not upgrade existing drill to a Moore or one of these fancy JD's, subsoil everything and use the disc drill after subsoiling and rolling?

The KRM drill I currently run just won't go after the subsoiler. Slightest bit of damp and it bungs up solid!
The roll then drill option is also an option in my mind. Lots of opinions seem to suggest that direct disc drills don't like wet clay though!

Can you tell that I keep going round in circles here! Maybe I over think things.
I'm going to toss a coin soon!

 

[B&B Pig Man]

My advice after 3 years of doing it is to forget it,the small savings you make will soon dissappear in slug pellets and yield loss.

I'd noticed your change!
Big worry for me - if somebody so close can't make it work - it probably wouldn't for me either!

 

[07tractorman]

3 people dd within 5 miles of here,in a wet year a total disaster,if free draining land you stand half a chance of it working,unfortunately not a lot of that round here.

 

[Badshot]

If you have a lot of muck to incorporate then DD is out surely??? Agrilinc have a couple of 3m moores at the minute, could be a better bet for you to DD the bits you can and drill the rest conventionally. I certainly wouldn't spend on a new drill unless the whole lot could be done.

 

[B&B Pig Man]

If you have a lot of muck to incorporate then DD is out surely??? Agrilinc have a couple of 3m moores at the minute, could be a better bet for you to DD the bits you can and drill the rest conventionally. I certainly wouldn't spend on a new drill unless the whole lot could be done.

I'm struggling to find a drill suitable to work in my current though.

Certainly not decided anything yet - considering all options!

 

[SilliamWhale]

My advice after 3 years of doing it is to forget it,the small savings you make will soon dissappear in slug pellets and yield loss.

No pellets on cereals this year. Last years wheat did well. Its whether you got it up top to manage it.

 

[07tractorman]

Never stood a chance round here last year,if the seed didnt drown the slugs got it,80% ww failed.

 

[Muddyboots]

I'm struggling to find a drill suitable to work in my current though.

Certainly not decided anything yet - considering all options!

I don't think there is any drill that is perfect for all conditions and all crops in the rotation. I know exactly how you feel as I do the same, we all want to save time and fuel on establishment but IMO farming is like a set of scales and if you take costs off one side then all you do is move them to the other.

 

[average farmer]

Your welcome anytime to have a look around our farm, mainly claydon drilled into min tilled soil but some into subsoiled ground and some direct. I'll show you the good the bad and the ugly. The claydon will drill into alsort been out today on mintilled light land but the stronger stuff needs a few more days of good drying weather.

I've found 2nd wheats and osr yield very well drilled striptill.

 

[07tractorman]

Very true,we found you save £30 ac in establishing the crop but losing £100 ac in other ways.

 

[B&B Pig Man]

I don't think there is any drill that is perfect for all conditions and all crops in the rotation. I know exactly how you feel as I do the same, we all want to save time and fuel on establishment but IMO farming is like a set of scales and if you take costs off one side then all you do is move them to the other.

I agree - but it's not just costs I'm looking at.

If my land is subsoiled and allowed to 'weather' it produces a lovely seedbed.
I want to find as drill capable of drilling into that subsoiling without blocking in the trash.

I do see big merits in dd'ing after spring beans and osr as the previous crop has done the work for you, and the land is in such good condition seems as shame to move it.

So my conclusion?

A flexible dd/strip-til drill. Which I think looks like a mzuri ziptil?!