My plan to enter the DD world

[SilliamWhale]

after the mess i made last year min tilled rape ,ploughed every bit this year get some air back into the soil ,will try min till again when conditions are right.cash flow is king, sorry I mentioned the plough lol take it easy

I think this is a myth. I don't think just because a soil gets saturated it is incapable of getting 0xygen back into it without tillage. If this was the case then floodplains and water meadows would not grow grass very well. You will have introduced air temporarily with the plough but it will last 6 weeks or so maybe. Certainly not much longer and not long enough to make an effect on grain formation.

The important thing is to try and develop a structure that can take a bit of water but also manage your land so that if it gets drowned/ flooded you haven't buggered it up with machines. Its all about a bit of planning, and thinking not just about todays crop but the one in 24months as well.

 

[marco]

Your reacting this year to last year's conditions. How many times do you have to plough it to get enough air into it

 

[07tractorman]

NW Lincolnshire, land type variable, extream heavy to blow sand, not particularly free draining.

 

[franklin]

Who's is heavier, yours or @B&B Pig Man 's?

 

[smbflame]

i just cant take the risk financially,i no were your coming from i just find my ground hard to mess with ,im all for saving fuel and time ,but not this year better look next time, all my crop look excellent compared to last year ,

 

[07tractorman]

Pig mans is all reasonably heavy so in answer we have some lighter but some even heavier.

 

[Andrew K]

Basically this. Yes last winter was crap but anything in early enough tend to outgrow its problems, anything late couldn't. Remember we had a combination of cold, low light, slugs, waay more rain than we normally expect etc. Some of those crops that we thought we planted into crappy, slug ridden, compacted, anaerobic soils did very very well in the end.

I thank the july weather and cold spring for that rather than the direct drill but then I wouldn't blame the direct drill for the slugs and the wet ground, that's the managers fault!

I was amazed last night to hear that we have had one inch of rain more over the last three months than the corresponding three months of last year!
It just got wetter in Nov/Dec last year , and as Will says it was colder with poor light conditions.I still couldnt believe it though..

 

[smbflame]

Your reacting this year to last year's conditions. How many times do you have to plough it to get enough air into it

this year completely differant to last year (soil temp higher) should have stopped planting last year, came right for spring cropping thats saying something on my ground, i ploughed because i applied tons of muck which i couldn't spread last year, also planted allot of mustard in flooded patch's

 

[Martin Lole]

Hello all (on this thread),
B&B/Pig Man, Muddyboots, JCfarmer, static and 07Tractorman, I would welcome you to visit us here in Worcestershire, on one day to suit you all, so that you can see the farm (crops) and drills, and have an interesting discussion.
That way you can see the results for yourselves; see strip-tillage drilling working successfully in conditions that a JD750 would fail to impress – heavy clay, with all previous crop residue on the surface.
As Rob1 so correctly put it, speak to those that can. Please do come along for a bit of crop walking followed by a plough man’s lunch!
Can I propose either Tuesday 19th or Friday 22nd November as a possible date!?

 

[H.Jackson]

Hello all (on this thread),
B&B/Pig Man, Muddyboots, JCfarmer, static and 07Tractorman, I would welcome you to visit us here in Worcestershire, on one day to suit you all, so that you can see the farm (crops) and drills, and have an interesting discussion.
That way you can see the results for yourselves; see strip-tillage drilling working successfully in conditions that a JD750 would fail to impress – heavy clay, with all previous crop residue on the surface.
As Rob1 so correctly put it, speak to those that can. Please do come along for a bit of crop walking followed by a plough man’s lunch!
Can I propose either Tuesday 19th or Friday 22nd November as a possible date!?

I thought like the light spray they walked on water

 

[B&B Pig Man]

Hello all (on this thread),
B&B/Pig Man, Muddyboots, JCfarmer, static and 07Tractorman, I would welcome you to visit us here in Worcestershire, on one day to suit you all, so that you can see the farm (crops) and drills, and have an interesting discussion.
That way you can see the results for yourselves; see strip-tillage drilling working successfully in conditions that a JD750 would fail to impress – heavy clay, with all previous crop residue on the surface.
As Rob1 so correctly put it, speak to those that can. Please do come along for a bit of crop walking followed by a plough man’s lunch!
Can I propose either Tuesday 19th or Friday 22nd November as a possible date!?

Thank you Martin - very kind offer.

I'll check my diary over the weekend and have a chat you about it early next week (hopefully we'll manage to catch each other on the phone by then!).

 

[SilliamWhale]

I think this is a myth. I don't think just because a soil gets saturated it is incapable of getting 0xygen back into it without tillage. If this was the case then floodplains and water meadows would not grow grass very well. You will have introduced air temporarily with the plough but it will last 6 weeks or so maybe. Certainly not much longer and not long enough to make an effect on grain formation.

The important thing is to try and develop a structure that can take a bit of water but also manage your land so that if it gets drowned/ flooded you haven't buggered it up with machines. Its all about a bit of planning, and thinking not just about todays crop but the one in 24months as well.

@Will Blackburn - do you have low lying

I thought like the light spray they walked on water

Bit childish that really

 

[Will Blackburn]

@Will Blackburn - do you have low lying


Bit childish that really

I have flooding meadows that are no-till grass, keep freshening them up with IRG which is cheap and vigorous. Far better than ploughing which buries all the nice friable soil and replaces it with clods. They can spend weeks at a time under water but still have worms?

 

[smbflame]

martin are plough men allowed at these meetings, I could be turned lol, seriously might find the time better than getting bogged down drilling

 

[Martin Lole]

Of course, more the merrier. Even 750a users.

 

[Muddyboots]

Hello all (on this thread),
B&B/Pig Man, Muddyboots, JCfarmer, static and 07Tractorman, I would welcome you to visit us here in Worcestershire, on one day to suit you all, so that you can see the farm (crops) and drills, and have an interesting discussion.
That way you can see the results for yourselves; see strip-tillage drilling working successfully in conditions that a JD750 would fail to impress – heavy clay, with all previous crop residue on the surface.
As Rob1 so correctly put it, speak to those that can. Please do come along for a bit of crop walking followed by a plough man’s lunch!
Can I propose either Tuesday 19th or Friday 22nd November as a possible date!?

Thank you for the offer Martin but I am afraid I wouldn't be able to make those dates. Thanks for the chat on the phone the other day and will be in touch a bit nearer to next autumns drilling season.

 

[Andy Howard]

Hello all (on this thread),
That way you can see the results for yourselves; see strip-tillage drilling working successfully in conditions that a JD750 would fail to impress – heavy clay, with all previous crop residue on the surface.

Martin, would you like to come around crops drilled with 750 into full residue that makes strip tillage look power hungry and expensive!

 

[franklin]

Martin, would you like to come around crops drilled with 750 into full residue that makes strip tillage look power hungry and expensive!

It would be a good plan - perhaps then we would see a minimum disturbance Mzuri designed and built in the UK?

 

[smbflame]

british sounds good ,

 

[rob1]

It would be a good plan - perhaps then we would see a minimum disturbance Mzuri designed and built in the UK?

Now that IS a plan, while i love my claydon in a few years i think the soil willbe ok for proper zero till, and a natural progression more many i think too