National Beef Association on the wrong track ?

[delilah]

The big idea is here:

https://www.nationalbeefassociation.com/workspace/pdfs/nba-reduction-in-co2-emissions-proposal_09_20_v1-1-.pdf

Last line of the conclusion:

We believe it is a workable solution to a modern problem. We look forward to your comments, and would welcome the opportunity to expand the ideas and develop the proposal alongside Defra.

An NBA member should take them up on that, and contact them tomorrow and ask them to read this thread.

 

[Werzle]

Last line of the conclusion:

We believe it is a workable solution to a modern problem. We look forward to your comments, and would welcome the opportunity to expand the ideas and develop the proposal alongside Defra.

An NBA member should take them up on that, and contact them tomorrow and ask them to read this thread.

Tell em to lay off the drugs if this their idea of the future, its like an april fool.

 

[delilah]

All its going to do is force the cattle job into fewer hands, alot of the smaller seasonal graziers have stopped buying during covid restrictions and its a great great shame to see them being squeezed out and smaller places being swallowed up. To accuse them of harming the planet is barmy

Which means you are then back to the regular question with regards the actions of our national representative bodies: Cock up or conspiracy ?
Are they simply inept ?
or
Are they acting at the behest of those at the top of the food chain, whose overriding desire is to have to deal with ever fewer producers; see pork, chicken, dairy, veg....

 

[Werzle]

Which means you are then back to the regular question with regards the actions of our national representative bodies: Cock up or conspiracy ?
Are they simply inept ?
or
Are they acting at the behest of those at the top of the food chain, whose overriding desire is to have to deal with ever fewer producers; see pork, chicken, dairy, veg....

It will be interesting to hear what the Nature Trust type people think who have encouraged cattle grazing in rough grass areas and woods etc but will now be told that the meat from these later maturing types will be taxed when cattle reared in sheds on imported feed from around the world will be seen as better for the planet

 

[matthew]

The new acting CEO (Neil Shand) has, according to his brief CV, a degree in Forestry, and 20 years in the paper industry.
Keeps the Cairnorrie herd of Simmentals.
Contact numbers here:

NBA Head Office Contacts | National Beef Association

Contact details for the staff at the National Beef Association head office located in Leamington Spa.

www.nationalbeefassociation.com

 

[Henarar]

The big idea is here:

https://www.nationalbeefassociation.com/workspace/pdfs/nba-reduction-in-co2-emissions-proposal_09_20_v1-1-.pdf

Only skim read that but have they lost their minds, all they want to do is cost farmers more money and give us more regulation, absolute prats

 

[Woolless]

It will be interesting to hear what the Nature Trust type people think who have encouraged cattle grazing in rough grass areas and woods etc but will now be told that the meat from these later maturing types will be taxed when cattle reared in sheds on imported feed from around the world will be seen as better for the planet

TBF, native breeds on conservation grazing was one of the recommended exemptions.

Some of the proposals make sense, for instance allowing young bulls slaughtered under 12 months to be classed as beef rather than veal or increasing our own beef production at the expense of imports. But I would like to know if their figures allowed for carbon to be sequestered by grassland. And why on earth suggest a tariff on your own product, particularly one which penalises on environmental grounds? Can see the headlines now, 'Green tax on beef'.

 

[steveR]

The new acting CEO (Neil Shand) has, according to his brief CV, a degree in Forestry, and 20 years in the paper industry.
Keeps the Cairnorrie herd of Simmentals.
Contact numbers here:

NBA Head Office Contacts | National Beef Association

Contact details for the staff at the National Beef Association head office located in Leamington Spa.

www.nationalbeefassociation.com

And...

Breed Secretary
British Simmental Cattle Society
Aug 2010 – Present 10 years 2 months

 

[Old Tip]

I think it’s another way to pull prices down and control us

I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this is a complete stitch up, their ideas seem to be aimed at Total opposite of what the government and most farmers want

 

[Dan Powell]

The big idea is here:

https://www.nationalbeefassociation.com/workspace/pdfs/nba-reduction-in-co2-emissions-proposal_09_20_v1-1-.pdf

Wow. The author clearly has a maths GCSE. But no common sense. No explanation of how slaughter age reductions will be achieved and the associated carbon emissions. No forecasts of future buying trends. No mention of eating quality. And I love the idea that a third of the imported beef we'll be avoiding will be driven to the UK from Botswana in a truck. Rather than shipped on a boat. Utter twaddle.

 

[steveR]

I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this is a complete stitch up, their ideas seem to be aimed at Total opposite of what the government and most farmers want

RBST will hopefully be along shortly......

 

[steveR]

And...

Breed Secretary
British Simmental Cattle Society
Aug 2010 – Present 10 years 2 months

Fast finishing those Simmy's.....

 

[matthew]

And...

Breed Secretary
British Simmental Cattle Society
Aug 2010 – Present 10 years 2 months

Yes. I had a scuttle around trying to see the amount of cattle he keeps, and whether the income was from his beef sales or £20K breeding bulls. I drew a blank.

 

[organic]

Could we have a simple poll on here to see who approves of their ideas and who does not approve?

 

[Henarar]

Is the NBA run by a bunch of Vegans ? cos it seems like they must at least have an influence

 

[livestock 1]

I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this is a complete stitch up, their ideas seem to be aimed at Total opposite of what the government and most farmers want

It’s nothing new. These associations seem to attract complete w@&@&@s who haven’t a clue what’s needed in the present and future economic climate for both producer and customer. The people who could be of some use to these things are usually too strapped for time to join and would convey some common sense. I hope they read this.
Personally I struggled with the 30 month rule to get cattle grown big enough to be all killed before then being on a mainly grass type system with land ranging from 1000 ft to well over 2000 ft with the majority of cattle grazing around 1500 ft. Also it has been apparent that the supermarket system has effectively put a lot of our customers off beef being clueless about taste and texture. As most of us farmers would agree the supermarket beef is not a patch on local butcher beef or beef killed from home. Fast grown beef killed early is a big contributor to this issue.
With this information that we now have and current relaxation and increased values of beef in the 30/36 and 36/48 month bracket it seems totally unbelievable for them to come up with such rubbish.
Also with the sub coming off suckler cow margins will come under more scrutiny than ever. We are focusing on improving grazing and mowing land here and are seriously considering some Blue Grey or Sim Luing or Galloway cattle that will be more suited to the land we have and will utilise grazing better leaving a greater margin. This rule will only work against this and as said earlier the timing is bad.
I take it this is just in its early stage and hasn’t been implemented yet?
The only advantage I can see is to set another pointless limit where processors can cut the price. They know fine well that not all beef will be ready before 27m and will have a percentage calculated already. Rubbing their hands together as we speak

 

[Werzle]

As a farmer i find the line- "reduce the time on earth" a disgrace tbh. NBA should have fought tooth and nail to support the diverse way cattle are reared and finished in this country and resisted change altogether. A poll on age limits would show well over 80% of farmers want the 30mth rule abolished

 

[Werzle]

It’s nothing new. These associations seem to attract complete w@&@&@s who haven’t a clue what’s needed in the present and future economic climate for both producer and customer. The people who could be of some use to these things are usually too strapped for time to join and would convey some common sense. I hope they read this.
Personally I struggled with the 30 month rule to get cattle grown big enough to be all killed before then being on a mainly grass type system with land ranging from 1000 ft to well over 2000 ft with the majority of cattle grazing around 1500 ft. Also it has been apparent that the supermarket system has effectively put a lot of our customers off beef being clueless about taste and texture. As most of us farmers would agree the supermarket beef is not a patch on local butcher beef or beef killed from home. Fast grown beef killed early is a big contributor to this issue.
With this information that we now have and current relaxation and increased values of beef in the 30/36 and 36/48 month bracket it seems totally unbelievable for them to come up with such rubbish.
Also with the sub coming off suckler cow margins will come under more scrutiny than ever. We are focusing on improving grazing and mowing land here and are seriously considering some Blue Grey or Sim Luing or Galloway cattle that will be more suited to the land we have and will utilise grazing better leaving a greater margin. This rule will only work against this and as said earlier the timing is bad.
I take it this is just in its early stage and hasn’t been implemented yet?
The only advantage I can see is to set another pointless limit where processors can cut the price. They know fine well that not all beef will be ready before 27m and will have a percentage calculated already. Rubbing their hands together as we speak

Great post

 

[matthew]

NBA should have fought tooth and nail ...

I read this as an NBA contribution to the zero carbon idea to reduce 'global warming' from agriculture. Using some highly selective mathematical gymnastics on the way.
So were NBA members consulted at all before this was presented to the press (and Dafta)?

 

[JP1]

It’s nothing new. These associations seem to attract complete w@&@&@s who haven’t a clue what’s needed in the present and future economic climate for both producer and customer. The people who could be of some use to these things are usually too strapped for time to join and would convey some common sense. I hope they read this.
Personally I struggled with the 30 month rule to get cattle grown big enough to be all killed before then being on a mainly grass type system with land ranging from 1000 ft to well over 2000 ft with the majority of cattle grazing around 1500 ft. Also it has been apparent that the supermarket system has effectively put a lot of our customers off beef being clueless about taste and texture. As most of us farmers would agree the supermarket beef is not a patch on local butcher beef or beef killed from home. Fast grown beef killed early is a big contributor to this issue.
With this information that we now have and current relaxation and increased values of beef in the 30/36 and 36/48 month bracket it seems totally unbelievable for them to come up with such rubbish.
Also with the sub coming off suckler cow margins will come under more scrutiny than ever. We are focusing on improving grazing and mowing land here and are seriously considering some Blue Grey or Sim Luing or Galloway cattle that will be more suited to the land we have and will utilise grazing better leaving a greater margin. This rule will only work against this and as said earlier the timing is bad.
I take it this is just in its early stage and hasn’t been implemented yet?
The only advantage I can see is to set another pointless limit where processors can cut the price. They know fine well that not all beef will be ready before 27m and will have a percentage calculated already. Rubbing their hands together as we speak

^^^^ this

We already have idiots setting inimitable weight threshold yet native cattle should go before becoming too fat

They killed off the small local abattoir and the High St butcher

I’m not going with out a fight