New limits to SFI.

[farmerm]

What do you do?

280Ac cereals and sheep and an interest in a business that provides nationwide soil/substrate moisture and weather monitoring services, primarily but not exclusively relating to decision support for field crop irrigation and automated irrigation in soft fruit.... you?

 

[farmerm]

It kept us farming tho we’d all
Be long gone if it wast there

That I agree is 100% true. There is not enough fat in the good years to cover adequately for cropping disasters like this crop or 2019.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

UK food production could cease entirely and the global price of food commodities wouldn’t even flinch

True.
For most.
But that is somewhat different to how much it costs on UK shelves if imports haven't got home produce to compete against.

 

[farmerm]

True.
For most.
But that is somewhat different to how much it costs on UK shelves if imports haven't got home produce to compete against.

in most cases imports would still compete with imports from elsewhere...

 

[livestock 1]

280Ac cereals and sheep and an interest in a business that provides nationwide soil/substrate moisture and weather monitoring services, primarily but not exclusively relating to decision support for field crop irrigation and automated irrigation in soft fruit.... you?

I’m a beef and sheep farmer on hill and moorland

 

[livestock 1]

in most cases imports would still compete with imports from elsewhere...

I assume you are selling your sheep/lamb at the moment for the same price as Australia and New Zealand? Judging by what you are saying

 

[farmerm]

I’m a beef and sheep farmer on hill and moorland

Yeah, Brexit has fkd over folk like you.... sadly you are up creek without a

 

[livestock 1]

Yeah, Brexit has fkd over folk like you.... sadly you are up creek without a

Are you selling your lamb at the same price as New Zealand and Australia at the moment?
You can say you don’t know if you like

 

[farmerm]

I assume you are selling your sheep/lamb at the moment for the same price as Australia and New Zealand? Judging by what you are saying

I would be if it was arriving here... enjoy it whilst it last because the current bubble is entirely disconnected from cuts to BPS and prices are still less than it in the 1980s when accounting for inflation.

 

[livestock 1]

I would be if it was arriving here... enjoy it whilst it last because the current bubble is entirely disconnected from cuts to BPS and prices are still less than it in the 1980s when accounting for inflation.

It is here the shops are full of it
However why is our lamb twice the price?
I thought you said imports set prices?
Maybe not in many cases
Fancy that

 

[farmerm]

It is here the shops are full of it
However why is our lamb twice the price?
I thought you said imports set prices?
Maybe not in many cases
Fancy that

Honest answer is I have no idea why domestic prices are currently so much higher than imported lamb right now, how do you explain it? I know one thing for certainty, there is no economic mechanism that would form a link between the declining value of BPS and the price buyers are willing to pay for lamb. Correct me if I am wrong but Welsh and Scottish lamb is trading at much the same value as English lamb, as I understand it they are still getting full BPS...

 

[Clive]

@Bossfarmer - question for you ?

have you ever visited a farm in any of these countries ?

Romania
Russia
USA
Ukraine
Poland
Canada
Australia
South america

 

[farmerm]

Are you selling your lamb at the same price as New Zealand and Australia at the moment?
You can say you don’t know if you like

 

[livestock 1]

Honest answer is I have no idea why domestic prices are currently so much higher than imported lamb right now, how do you explain it? I know one thing for certainty, there is no economic mechanism that would form a link between the declining value of BPS and the price buyers are willing to pay for lamb. Correct me if I am wrong but Welsh and Scottish lamb is trading at much the same value as English lamb, as I understand it they are still getting full BPS...

Ok so you’ve just stated now that imports don’t set prices so what does. Supply and demand, production costs effecting supply, support payments that affect supply?
Oh look we are back where we started

 

[livestock 1]

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So now you say imports don’t set prices?
That was a quick change of mind

 

[farmerm]

So now you say imports don’t set prices?
That was a quick change of mind

They most certainly do in most instances. Short term price inequalities on that scale correct themselves one way or the other as either consumers or supply chains adjust. Perhaps the NZ imports don't meat the Halal requirements of our main customers?

 

[livestock 1]

They most certainly do in most instances. Short term price inequalities on that scale correct themselves one way or the other as either consumers or supply chains adjust. Perhaps the NZ imports don't meat the Halal requirements of our main customers?

It’s all halal

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

They most certainly do in most instances. Short term price inequalities on that scale correct themselves one way or the other as either consumers or supply chains adjust. Perhaps the NZ imports don't meat the Halal requirements of our main customers?

What's spiked the lamb price is the boats are having to go round the long way because of the red sea pirates, creating a temporary shortage.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Would be interesting to know what % of domestic lamb now goes to the supermarkets and what % for export and to the Halal market. I know exports are up so that must be helping and I don't think the Halal market will take frozen lamb

 

[livestock 1]

What's spiked the lamb price is the boats are having to go round the long way because of the red sea pirates, creating a temporary shortage.

Therefore that import isn’t setting prices here