New limits to SFI.

[farmerm]

this is exactly what ive been trying to say, cant see how anyone would think that was anything but factually correct

So what you are saying is BPS supported low food prices, specifically, exclusively lamb, pretty much the least commonly found product in a supermarket trolley. Sir, sir the pheasants are revolving... Why is that? The food sir, it is too expensive... Well let them eat lamb...

 

[Clive]

range rovers arent a big deal these days people from all kinds of jobs have them and correct me if im wrong its a british company so the sub is coming back into the economy, excellent

ummmm ……..

i really should be billing you for your education

 

[Bossfarmer]

So what you are saying is BPS supported low food prices, specifically, exclusively lamb, pretty much the least commonly found product in a supermarket trolley. Sir, sir the pheasants are revolving... Why is that? The food sir, it is too expensive... Well let them eat lamb...

No id say even more so beef....have you seen the prices?

 

[farmerm]

No id say even more so beef....have you seen the prices?

Well don’t know if you noticed but the powers that be, they are not keen on production of either these days..

 

[Bossfarmer]

ummmm ……..

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i really should be billing you for your education

Happy to admit if im wrong on this topic but would i not be right in saying the main production plant for in particular "range rover" is at the solihull plant in UK?? So regardless of shareholdings they are build in the UK providing many jobs and an economic return all the same

 

[Hindsight]

and the lack of home produced lamb to fill the gap, relying on imports causes price volatility

Hi. I do the regular big shop, usually fortnightly. Find it interesting. I usually go to Morrisons Grantham. As you are all discussing Lamb my comments. First. As a consumer Lamb is an expensive meat. Again as a consumer noticeably quite a lot of fat compared to meat. Second, when I was last in two weeks ago I did look and noticed that the presumably vacuum wrapped Legs of Lamb are of New Zealand origin. Maybe wrong but thought £6 kg. I will take a closer look over the weekend as I will be doing the fortnightly major shop. Do you do the regular large shop? To address your point about price volatility - my observation would be that in the case of Legs of Lamb imports do the opposite providing the retailer with a cheap base price for the product. I will look more closely.

PS - on reflection that price seems far to low. My memory - as I did just glance at it. I will look more carefully over the weekend. As I wasn't buying wasn't to concerned.

 

[Green oak]

Hi. I do the regular big shop, usually fortnightly. Find it interesting. I usually go to Morrisons Grantham. As you are all discussing Lamb my comments. First. As a consumer Lamb is an expensive meat. Again as a consumer noticeably quite a lot of fat compared to meat. Second, when I was last in two weeks ago I did look and noticed that the presumably vacuum wrapped Legs of Lamb are of New Zealand origin. Maybe wrong but thought £6 kg. I will take a closer look over the weekend as I will be doing the fortnightly major shop. Do you do the regular large shop? To address your point about price volatility - my observation would be that in the case of Legs of Lamb imports do the opposite providing the retailer with a cheap base price for the product. I will look more closely.

I follow e v slack on youtube. A slaughtered lamb £220. £60 a leg of lamb. Feed
ay least 10 people. if you have a premium product. You should be payed for it.

 

[Hindsight]

I follow e v slack on youtube. A slaughtered lamb £220. £60 a leg of lamb. Feed
ay least 10 people. if you have a premium product. You should be payed for it.

Hi. Don't disagree with you. Premium product - premium price. Conversely a medium/large 2 kg chicken is about £6. The main sheep meat I eat is a Kebab after going to see a band in Nottingham! I will check that price when I go into shop over the weekend - does seem low and I think my memory has failed me.

 

[Green oak]

Hi. Don't disagree with you. Premium product - premium price. Conversely a medium/large 2 kg chicken is about £6. The main sheep meat I eat is a Kebab after going to see a band in Nottingham! I will check that price when I go into shop over the weekend - does seem low and I think my memory has failed me.

I find it amusing that a leg of lamb for Easter weekend has a premium price. Just because of a date in history. Turkey for Christmas stuff. Never eat turkey any other time of year. To be fair I’ll have a kebab once a month myself. cleans the guts out.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I follow e v slack on youtube. A slaughtered lamb £220. £60 a leg of lamb. Feed
ay least 10 people. if you have a premium product. You should be payed for it.

Glad to know my pricing wasn't too cheap when we were selling lamb.

That's the problem with "premium products" and the pricing discussion, the folk risking it on oil rigs don't get paid premium unleaded prices for the crude, the refinery adds value very quickly to a raw commodity like crude.

Whether milk fibre or meat it's the same deal, people don't pump crude into their tanks any more than they put wheat in their toasters, or take a bullock home from the supermarket.

That's just what's so about commodity production, processing, and retailing in the world.
People will pay for convenience and the people marketing or providing that get the lion's share of the revenue.
This came up alot when I was in the trucking game; easy to feel "hard done by" when you are paid little over minimum wage to drive a very expensive rig on very important business, the options there are similar.
Have a cry, yell, complain - or do something else.

Much the same deal with any commodity product, even precious metals get value added when it's turned into something someone will want to buy. Often easier to see it in reverse, say I scrapped my $20,000 KTM, it's residual value would be a few thousand and melted down, a few hundred.
That's a premium product too.
I paid for it and enjoy it. Would do it again.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

in most cases imports would still compete with imports from elsewhere...

It isn't as simple as that.
Every item of produce is slightly different so its hard to generalise.
Transportation has been very cheap, but it does still add costs and when the environmental consequences of it are eventually taken into consideration, it should become much more expensive.
Importers use home produce as a bargaining chip to negotiate the price of imports and also need home produce to keep availability. You can get some more southern hemisphere produce here overnight.
Being an island nation, imports have long been used to increase supply, to keep local prices low. This gives sellers a lower average cost despite paying more for one or the other. A considerable decline in home production negates their ability to do that.
Surely you appreciate the difference in your buying position between buying all of your forage in compared to producing much of your own and just procuring some to make up a shortfall?

 

[digger64]

i have to EARN those profits by providing the tax payer with something in return for their payment, i have to farm land, to get the best from it i have to produce BOTH food and public good / natural capital

I got my BPS dole cheque just for being wealthy enough to own some land ! - many of the richest people in the UK got theirs as well, they didn’t need to farm anything or provide any public goods whatsoever

BIG difference……. like Huge difference !

You are deluded if thats what you think- the only difference is the propaganda and the flowers if they grow !

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

You are deluded if thats what you think- the only difference is the propaganda and the flowers if they grow !

It's a clear difference.

 

[digger64]

What about someone who tells people on the internet that they are working for the public good?

I thought they were called saints or messiahs in the past perhaps ?

 

[digger64]

would as much food have been produced without BPS ?

more for sure- but not by all the same people

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Is Sam 3 in the limit

 

[digger64]

As I’ve written before. I’ve gone 100% into SFI. I had a bad injury late January. Broken bones. I had a panic attack and put the farm into it because I never planted the autumn crops because we are told to wait until late October for grassweed control. I looked at the payments and I looked at my recovery and I had the take the SFI. Owner occupied farm. if I got someone in to do the work I normally do I would have lost money.

and the people who normally do the work ,supply or process the outputs of other farms etc (that havent had your misfortune ) will also loose their livelhoods -so what you say
-they are probably tax payers too

 

[digger64]

But isn't that slightly different than deciding whether or not to drill a 100 acre field knowing that should all else fail, there was a £8k BPS payment to cover the costs?
I appreciate SFI spreads some risk but if anything, raises the required return on a crop?
Again, this will surely only lead to prices rising.

doubt it - more likely more imports and a collapse of uk agri infrastucture /supply/processing industry .
And of course rents will have to match the payments as an opportunity cost for landowners

 

[livestock 1]

One particular person on here who has been on here for some time has never shown any interest in flowers all you heard from him was cereals and Fendts now all he talks about is flowers
What’s driven this all new interest in flowers?
It isn’t flowers

 

[digger64]

One particular person on here who has been on here for some time has never shown any interest in flowers all you heard from him was cereals and Fendts now all he talks about is flowers
What’s driven this all new interest in flowers?
It isn’t flowers

dont they call that "coming out " or something in other walks of life ?