New livestock EID measures announced by Michael Gove

[The Beef]

When the legislation behind eid and how it will work is shown then you can cast that judgement. IMO its pretty bold to expect eid will only cost 50p per tag and that’s it. Time and work and extra equipment also has a cost.

Not being funny I can see advantages for certain people and I do talk to our customers and if they were coming up to me in market and going on about how good EID was for their system and how it would be good if they had it when they bought them then I would think about it but they are not so I spose they don't give a stuff for it any more than I do

one thing EID tags would be good for is the dark ages as you could have a reader that lit up as you couldn't read the number on the tag owing to it being so dark

so there you go, those of you with EID the dark ages are just the thing for you

Well here goes
I am a store cattle buyer
Please could I have Farm Assured*, EID, Disudded, properly castrated, BVD/Johnes free, medical records and sire details.

*People perhaps forget that others further up the chain pick up the pieces and make good the things you cant be bothered with. Some are quite happy to fight assurance yet want top dollar from some poor sap who has to jump through the hoops to get the cattle assured to sell to the commercial world

 

[Shutesy]

On my iPhone on a dog trial all day but will take a look later @Shutesy could you help

 

[The Beef]

That's in addition to decently bred - in terms of growth.
Don't need any Us or Es
Well grown for their age
Not too wild
Not too old - need to get em fit by they're 30m (to pay best store price)
Less than 4 residencies - not my choice but I get deducted

Now what have I forgotten?

 

[Henarar]

Some are quite happy to fight assurance yet want top dollar from some poor sap who has to jump through the hoops to get the cattle assured to sell to the commercial world

and most don't GAS about assurance

Well here goes
I am a store cattle buyer
Please could I have Farm Assured*, EID, Disudded, properly castrated, BVD/Johnes free, medical records and sire details.

*People perhaps forget that others further up the chain pick up the pieces and make good the things you cant be bothered with. Some are quite happy to fight assurance yet want top dollar from some poor sap who has to jump through the hoops to get the cattle assured to sell to the commercial world

Why do you have to jump through hoops if you buy non assured apart from keeping them a few days

 

[Henarar]

That's in addition to decently bred - in terms of growth.
Don't need any Us or Es
Well grown for their age
Not too wild
Not too old - need to get em fit by they're 30m (to pay best store price)
Less than 4 residencies - not my choice but I get deducted

Now what have I forgotten?

Go to market at buy what you want if its not what you want don't bid I am sure someone else can see potential through the paper work and bulls**t

 

[spin cycle]

so...lets try and get this right....all cattle will have eid tags....if you choose you can get a reader and record all data electronically which will follow the animal....if not you'll just record the treatments the old way......BUT surely there'll be some animals in the chain with an electronic history and some with none.......how is that going to help traceability

 

[Henarar]

so...lets try and get this right....all cattle will have eid tags....if you choose you can get a reader and record all data electronically which will follow the animal....if not you'll just record the treatments the old way......BUT surely there'll be some animals in the chain with an electronic history and some with none.......how is that going to help traceability

I think the treatments may have to be recorded on line if you have a reader or not, you will just have to use the phone/laptop

 

[spin cycle]

I think the treatments may have to be recorded on line if you have a reader or not, you will just have to use the phone/laptop

what if the farmer doesn't have internet??? my bps agent told me he has customers without it

 

[Daniel Larn]

You may we’ll be right about your comments on Minette. However you miss the point. When it has gone wrong BIGTIME it hasn’t been at a farmer point in the chain.
That suggests there is much more work to do further up before every one passes blame, cost and work to the one part of the chain that can’t recoup the costs.
I’m not a Luddite and embrace technology. I was part of an EID initiative over 10 years ago in Cornwall. I have software, mananagement eid tags and a reader that I choose not to use as the system didn’t work well. Almost all the farmers in the original imitative gave up with it.
Maybe things have improved and moved on and it’s time to look at it again. But in the meantime DO NOT FORGET that’s it’s been the supply chain where the biggest issues have been.

We know, and they have already made massive changes, but it has highlighted the need for a better system of traceability. It's not only adulteration the consumer cares about, it could be anything.

This is a preventative measure, nobody is saying farmers have done anything wrong, and nobody is saying they will. It's just a way of trying to reassure the consumer that the industry is doing everything they can to keep them safe.

 

[Henarar]

it has highlighted the need for a better system of traceability.

how is EID better ?

 

[Daniel Larn]

how is EID better ?

I'm not saying it is, but they are.

 

[mo!]

I was getting converted but open access to data ! no way.

What are you hiding?

 

[milkloss]

What are you hiding?

Probably just doesn’t want the smarkets/processors to have their hands in his pants and gripping him by the gonads. Open data would enable market control.

 

[mo!]

Well here goes
I am a store cattle buyer
Please could I have Farm Assured*, EID, Disudded, properly castrated, BVD/Johnes free, medical records and sire details.

*People perhaps forget that others further up the chain pick up the pieces and make good the things you cant be bothered with. Some are quite happy to fight assurance yet want top dollar from some poor sap who has to jump through the hoops to get the cattle assured to sell to the commercial world

We can only dream...

 

[spin cycle]

I was getting converted but open access to data ! no way.

data protection laws will prevent it being open i'dve thought....if not it's a real 'banana skin'.....given the 'ability' of our bureaucrats i doubt they've even thought that far

Well here goes
I am a store cattle buyer
Please could I have Farm Assured*, EID, Disudded, properly castrated, BVD/Johnes free, medical records and sire details.

*People perhaps forget that others further up the chain pick up the pieces and make good the things you cant be bothered with. Some are quite happy to fight assurance yet want top dollar from some poor sap who has to jump through the hoops to get the cattle assured to sell to the commercial world

That's in addition to decently bred - in terms of growth.
Don't need any Us or Es
Well grown for their age
Not too wild
Not too old - need to get em fit by they're 30m (to pay best store price)
Less than 4 residencies - not my choice but I get deducted

Now what have I forgotten?

perhaps that the supermarkets were worried about lack of beef post brexit a while back?...or that the common mistake made by regulators is that the changes they make do not affect behaviour....in reality some ppl will react by simply quitting (final straw country)

best advise is to breed your own stores if you want to be that picky

 

[mo!]

Probably just doesn’t want the smarkets/processors to have their hands in his pants and gripping him by the gonads. Open data would enable market control.

What, he'd have to produce what the market demands? How terrible. The supermarkets already have us by the nuts I don't see how transparency will negatively affect those who are doing the job right. It would enable me to make better decisions about which antibiotic to use on that sick bullock, or see that a particular breeder has a poor deadweight gain and pay accordingly, and pay a good one better. Hell, the bad breeder might even sort out his Johnes issue which will make him more profit. Disaster.

 

[Henarar]

poor deadweight gain

?

 

[Henarar]

you could try asking

 

[Hilly]

What are you hiding?

More protecting my privacy thats all.

 

[Hilly]

What, he'd have to produce what the market demands? How terrible. The supermarkets already have us by the nuts I don't see how transparency will negatively affect those who are doing the job right. It would enable me to make better decisions about which antibiotic to use on that sick bullock, or see that a particular breeder has a poor deadweight gain and pay accordingly, and pay a good one better. Hell, the bad breeder might even sort out his Johnes issue which will make him more profit. Disaster.

Firstly the supermarkets have not got 100% grip on us yet as still a live trade, secondly market forces guide people to produce "whats wanted" As for johnes i have it i test every year and cull them that are positive what more can i do ? Least im open about it more than some that hide it and spread it.