New SFI Capital grants on used machinery etc

[Clive]

In the recent DEFRA q&a with Janet Hughes we discussed a members question that asked why capital grants were only available on new equipment when most farmer bought used

Reason given was it was very difficult to set a mechanism that wasn’t potential open to abuse from dealers etc (or how do you determine true value etc ).

TFF members were asked for suggestions for a mechanism that could potentially make capital grants for used equipment a reality

so …….. suggestions please ! ( they call this “co- design” apparently)

q&a video here, this question at 10.20 mins

 

[bobk]

What capital grants

 

[Still Farming]

Welsh one launched September.
List of certain applicable qualifying new items.

 

[bobk]

Welsh one launched September.
List of certain applicable qualifying new items.

Welsh get grants for everything .

 

[Still Farming]

Welsh get grants for everything .

Half the items are mega money to start with , plenty of hoops to jump through and stuff you never buy or want ?
Manufacturers do the best allegedly?

 

[Ashtree]

Grants drive up prices to the extent Farmer Giles, is a net loser at the end of the three card trick.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Welsh get grants for everything .

It's the same grant england have had but there's money left in the pot

 

[bobk]

It's the same grant england have had but there's money left in the pot

I've never had one ..

 

[Highland Mule]

I've never had one ..

Have you applied for any?

 

[bobk]

Have you applied for any?

No , I knew not of their existence .

 

[Pistonbroke]

No , I knew not of their existence .

Countryside productivity grant wasn't it? Same rules same sort of equipment. You snooze you lose

 

[Still Farming]

Farm Business Grant its called in Wales.

 

[bobk]

Countryside productivity grant wasn't it? Same rules same sort of equipment. You snooze you lose

Obviously I snoozed

 

[betweenthelines]

Dealer price has sod all to do with value-it's set according to what the customer will pay. Lots of new kit is cheaper on mainland Europe.

And has a dealer never invoiced full price for grant purposes then given the farmer a discount?

 

[Pistonbroke]

Farm Business Grant its called in Wales.

I am guessing it is only for applicants that didn't have their full amount earlier,is it? Or can we have another bite out of the cherry?

 

[Sid]

Grants always distort markets.
Abuse always take place , know a grant given by a major retailer for a livestock shed to improve animal welfare.

Other new equipment appears at the same time as part of the "deal" with the supplier.
Shed and equipment in it was over priced.


Given the removal of BPS even the new grant aided equipment will be slower to sell!

 

[Highland Mule]

Obviously I snoozed

Looks like it. Always worth keeping an eye out for business opportunities.

And has a dealer never invoiced full price for grant purposes then given the farmer a discount?

For the Scottish one, we had to submit bank statements alongside receipted invoices, although there are ways around that too, I guess.

 

[Pistonbroke]

Grants always distort markets.
Abuse always take place , know a grant given by a major retailer for a livestock shed to improve animal welfare.

Other new equipment appears at the same time as part of the "deal" with the supplier.
Shed and equipment in it was over priced.


Given the removal of BPS even the new grant aided equipment will be slower to sell!

Someone told me at the time,that the money for the grant came from bps being reduced anyway so they too k it away with one hand and gave it back to some but not others

 

[Kevtherev]

Shame these capital grants weren’t available to the small one man band contractor who has to compete with grant aided machines being used off farm for contracting.

 

[Still Farming]

I am guessing it is only for applicants that didn't have their full amount earlier,is it? Or can we have another bite out of the cherry?

The 28 page guidance booklet may say ?
Are you from Wales?