NFU claiming credit for 25% SFI cap

[Henarar]

What did you expect?
But why 25% why not 25 acres for Instance because thats what a 100 acre farmer will have to make the best of so why shouldn't a 1k acre famer be made to stick to the same 25 .
As ever these things are biast against smaller famers when ghdbigedv one's don't need any encouragement anyway.

I expected some folk to follow the money, I have not taken any land out of production
yes it is still better for bigger farmers
I only farm about 100 acres I can claim on the rest is on grass keep

 

[SilliamWhale]

There is only so much money in the pot, two tier system is nothing new

with only so much money Do you support farmers or do you support environment slipper farmers
that said I will get my tin hat

Well I suppose the policy was and is designed to support the environment not farm food production so I guess you support the slipper farmer?

If the policy was to support the farmer for food production as a condition of an element of farm environmental goods production then it would be fair enough. But that isn't the policy is it?

 

[Henarar]

that's a good point...BUT ...if food security is an issue why remove all it's support and remove it to enviro schemes?
NFU should attack this and stop further reduction

Perhaps they were just running out of money as more pilled in, I don't know
Is there enough money to pay every farmer 6 or 8 hundred quid per hectare? yes or no

 

[Pigless]

Why dont they get it, that the best interests of members are a) better pay or b) better "conditions"? However that comes about.

Unless it's the interests of perhaps more influential members it's working for?

To be able to answer that you'll need to know how much money comes into NFU from allied supply industries and from supermarkets. NFU might be following their income streams

 

[Henarar]

Who cares about taking land out of production? I thought we were running a business?

If it reduces risk, improves soil health and the environment while paying better than most break crops, it's a bad decision not to do it.

And you still can on 25% of your land, better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick

 

[Henarar]

Well I suppose the policy was and is designed to support the environment not farm food production so I guess you support the slipper farmer?

If the policy was to support the farmer for food production as a condition of an element of farm environmental goods production then it would be fair enough. But that isn't the policy is it?

SFI= sustainable farming incentive

 

[willyorkshire]

Except for herbal ley, whole field options now gone. I don't believe any of the running out of money on these threads. Spencer just announced unspent money over the last 2 years rolled forward into this year. They are underspending obv because they are now paying out far less than under BPS. So it has to be for political reasons, whatever that is - food security perception, public perception, who knows?
Herbal leys would not be very effective in year one, take time to get going (I'm told) so would be questionable whether it would fulfil it's objectives in one year only. There's no definition of 'fulfilling objective'.
There are still afew bits worth doing eg companion cropping and already doing the management plans. Hedges not worth the bother, only have perimeter hedges.

 

[farmerm]

Entire board should be out the door for that clanger, who’s side are they on

 

[tullah]

It doesn't suit their corporate members to see farmers reducing inputs. They want us to spend big and overproduce so there's plenty of cheap commodities sloshing around.

Isnt that what Batters stated she wanted.

 

[Steevo]

Tom Bradshaw said "it sets out to achieve a greater balance between supporting food production alongside protecting and enhancing the environment"

Where is this support for food production? I haven't seen much evidence of it.

Lip service.

 

[som farmer]

If you think about it was it such a bad move ?
There is only so much money in the pot, would you rather it went to support a lot of farmers that are producing or support a few farmers that are not ?
I would rather it supported a lot of farmers while the produce.

So won't be going to rant at the NFU rep

yes it was a bad move.

agree there is only x amount of money in the pot, and l don't see the scheme lasting.

but the main benefit of the scheme, which the idiots have highlighted to guv, and demanded they change it, is the unintended result of it, vastly reduced production.

reduced production, basically means higher prices. Not concerned about imported food, increased transport costs, global instability etc, will sort that out.

the whole problem with uk farming, is simple, we produce to much. As is very obvious, with cattle and sheep prices, when demand exceeds supply, prices rapidly rise.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

And you still can on 25% of your land, better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick

Exactly, it's not the end of the world. The 25% limit is just an embarrassing u turn when they could have imposed it at the launch.

I don't buy any of this food security nonsense. Look how much land is already is in non food use. Cereals for alcohol production or export, whole crops to produce methane and there are at least 850,000 horses in the uk. Look at what they eat and how much land they take up. Then you have food grown for dogs and cats and areas of land covered in solar panels.

 

[Henarar]

yes it was a bad move.

agree there is only x amount of money in the pot, and l don't see the scheme lasting.

but the main benefit of the scheme, which the idiots have highlighted to guv, and demanded they change it, is the unintended result of it, vastly reduced production.

reduced production, basically means higher prices. Not concerned about imported food, increased transport costs, global instability etc, will sort that out.

the whole problem with uk farming, is simple, we produce to much. As is very obvious, with cattle and sheep prices, when demand exceeds supply, prices rapidly rise.

well now its changed, make the best of it

 

[Henarar]

Exactly, it's not the end of the world. The 25% limit is just an embarrassing u turn when they could have imposed it at the launch.

I don't buy any of this food security nonsense. Look how much land is already is in non food use. Cereals for alcohol production or export, whole crops to produce methane and there are at least 850,000 horses in the uk. Look at what they eat and how much land they take up. Then you have food grown for dogs and cats and areas of land covered in solar panels.

yep use it as one part of a four year rotation, such is life, get on with it

 

[som farmer]

well now its changed, make the best of it

and we will.
but no thanks to NFU.

 

[willyorkshire]

yes it was a bad move.

agree there is only x amount of money in the pot, and l don't see the scheme lasting.

but the main benefit of the scheme, which the idiots have highlighted to guv, and demanded they change it, is the unintended result of it, vastly reduced production.

reduced production, basically means higher prices. Not concerned about imported food, increased transport costs, global instability etc, will sort that out.

the whole problem with uk farming, is simple, we produce to much. As is very obvious, with cattle and sheep prices, when demand exceeds supply, prices rapidly rise.

Spencer just announced a roll forward of underspend so they ain't running out of money. That pot will get bigger as underspend continues, now more so as 25% limit bites. Honestly, it's a complete dog's breakfast, to use polite terminology.

 

[Henarar]

and we will.
but no thanks to NFU.

I wasn't thanking them

 

[Henarar]

Spencer just announced a roll forward of underspend so they ain't running out of money. That pot will get bigger as underspend continues, now more so as 25% limit bites. Honestly, it's a complete dog's breakfast, to use polite terminology.

They are bringing in new options, hopefully these will help see the money go to a wider range of farmers to help them farm.

 

[willyorkshire]

They are bringing in new options, hopefully these will help see the money go to a wider range of farmers to help them farm.

Don't hold yer breath!

 

[Henarar]

Don't hold yer breath!

Will see, the last lot helped