NFU hustings

[Will Blackburn]

But you do get a vote at county level. If you feel so strongly go the your county meetings and have your say.

Is that binding, how about second preference?
From what I can see the county delegates do as they are told. When Quinny was against Meurig there was a smear campaign, followed by Meurig has done his time as number 2 and deserves it. What a load of horsesh1t, consequently we've not had the best person for the job for 4 years.

 

[gone up the hill]

But you do get a vote at county level. If you feel so strongly go the your county meetings and have your say.

You have no idea if your county chair votes as they have been instructed to by their county or their personal choice as the voting and who voted for who is all done in a cloud of secrecy.

 

[GTB]

So those higher up the chain know more than the people they represent ....

Doesn’t sound like democracy at all to me

I’ve never met my MP but I’m still able to make an infutned devein who I want to vote for

I don’t think anyone will ever take the NFU seriously these days or be particularly interested in who it is or what they do without a democratically elected leader

It is however none of my business as I used the only vote I had which was to vote with my feet and no longer be a member

Best of luck to whoever they decide the winner should be

Personally I wouldn't object to one member one vote though I'm not sure it would actually achieve anything. Tbh I'm not sure why some are so against it.

 

[Clive]

You have no idea if your county chair votes as they have been instructed to by their county or their personal choice as the voting and who voted for who is all done in a cloud of secrecy.

At the very least the county chairs vote should be visible to members represented by them surely ?

 

[GTB]

You have no idea if your county chair votes as they have been instructed to by their county or their personal choice as the voting and who voted for who is all done in a cloud of secrecy.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there is a record of who voted for who just to counteract such accusations.

 

[gone up the hill]

I that binding, how about second preference?
From what I can see the county delegates do as they are told. When Quinny was against Meurig there was a smear campaign, followed by Meurig has done his time as number 2 and deserves it. What a load of horsesh1t, consequently we've not had the best person for the job for 4 years.

And that is why MB will get in because she has been in the 2nd top job there for 4 years and so its natural that they vote her in + the fact she has only gone for one job thus she has played a very intresting hand of cards.

Have to say the NFU's loss is the AHDBs gain when it comes to Quinny.

 

[gone up the hill]

At the very least the county chairs vote should be visible to members represented by them surely ?

Yes it should be but its not and never has been.

 

[Henarar]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there is a record of who voted for who just to counteract such accusations.

Lets see it then

 

[gone up the hill]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there is a record of who voted for who just to counteract such accusations.

That record is never released to members.

 

[GTB]

That record is never released to members.

Have you ever asked? Genuine question as I never have.

 

[Steevo]

How many other organisations have a grass roots elected top dog?

Just curious..!

 

[yellow belly]

Mass resignation and form a new union.

that did the labour party no good in the 1980s

the main reason there is not much debate is that the candidates for the top 2 jobs are capable of doing the job
for and individual to make a judgement on the capability of an individual on the basis of one meeting does not always result in the best candidate getting elected

one man one vote systems us president Russian president constutuentcy mps

whatever voting system is used to elect a leader the more important issue is how you select the candidates on the ballet to weed out those who are incompetent and incapable of doing the job

in a true democracy one man one vote the majority can be wrong

 

[gone up the hill]

Have you ever asked? Genuine question as I never have.

Was discussed on here in length around the time of the last election, I think that Guy said that the voting record for one person had been released once but it was a very complicated process to go thru to achieve that.

Why don't you ask your county chair where on the NFU website that you will be able to check hisher voting record after this election and see what he/she says??

 

[Henarar]

that did the labour party no good in the 1980s

the main reason there is not much debate is that the candidates for the top 2 jobs are capable of doing the job
for and individual to make a judgement on the capability of an individual on the basis of one meeting does not always result in the best candidate getting elected

one man one vote systems us president Russian president constutuentcy mps

whatever voting system is used to elect a leader the more important issue is how you select the candidates on the ballet to weed out those who are incompetent and incapable of doing the job

in a true democracy one man one vote the majority can be wrong

yep but they have no other bugger to blame

 

[gone up the hill]

that did the labour party no good in the 1980s

the main reason there is not much debate is that the candidates for the top 2 jobs are capable of doing the job
for and individual to make a judgement on the capability of an individual on the basis of one meeting does not always result in the best candidate getting elected

one man one vote systems us president Russian president constutuentcy mps

whatever voting system is used to elect a leader the more important issue is how you select the candidates on the ballet to weed out those who are incompetent and incapable of doing the job

in a true democracy one man one vote the majority can be wrong

It would make the office holders have to work harder/ achieve better results and engage much more than they have been doing with ordinary grass roots members, thou of course Guy is very good at this whilst MB is never seen or heard of unless its on TV/ in the press etc, she certainly doesn't go out of her way to engage with members and if they didn't then they would be voted out at the next election.

Very clear that MR would not have been president for the past 4 years if it was one member one vote and tbh what has he actually achieved in the last four years as president??

One member one vote would make the top team answerable to every member where as now they only have to keep 80 odd council members on their side.

 

[Henarar]

Personally I wouldn't object to one member one vote though I'm not sure it would actually achieve anything. Tbh I'm not sure why some are so against it.

It seems they are frightened of there own members opinion on the matter
just as they are frightened of the modern world

 

[yellow belly]

one of the biggest problems we would have if candidates had to visit every branch during election year would be that all the other more important work during that year would get left

that is why the eu democracy does not work nothing gets decided when a country or the eu has elections and with 27 countries there is always a few election on the go so beurocracy takes over and democracy is the loser

that why I voted for brexit

 

[Granite Farmer]

If one is not happy with the NFU one should get involved (one could just talk to their local branch or branch chairman) or form their own organisation rather than shouting from the sidelines like a dad at a Sunday league football match.

 

[The Ruminant]

Two points stand out to me.

1. Without the NFU, who would be arguing the case for farmers within the corridors of Westminster? CLA to a degree but with a subtly different emphasis. Ditto the TFA yo a much lesser degree. Then who? I read the NFU briefing newsletter and am always impressed with the scope of their achievements. “You never get noticed for things you do, only for things you don’t do”

2. The voting process is very similar the Electoral College system in the US (and many other countries). Not a perfect example at the moment ( ) but it has worked for several hundred years there.

I did like Anton Coker’s positive article about Guy Smith (mentioning this to balance my earlier praise of Stuart R, as I know Guy too, albeit less well than I know Stuart!)

 

[Will Blackburn]

Two points stand out to me.

2. The voting process is very similar the Electoral College system in the US (and many other countries). Not a perfect example at the moment ( ) but it has worked for several hundred years there.

The vote US citizens actually place is binding. The voting system is only similar in one respect.