NFU shafts Red Tractor

[Ashtree]

Well if brexit has altered trade deals red tractor needs to alter to match them as well.

remember being a red tractor member does NOT achieve any sort of premium over imports.

All red tractor is is another layer of cost between the producer and end user. Money that would be better spent on other things.

So if the price of RT and non RT produce to the farmer is the same, just walk away from it. No point in incurring cost for no return. That seems reasonable to me.
But this lunacy of launching another brand “brown tractor“ produce, is laughable. It will be the official British low standard, muck, unsafe, produce in the eyes of the consumer. Its very existence will taint all British food in the public eye. Madness of the highest possible order.
You guys need to go into a dark room and rethink this whole thing. You mainly voted for low cost/standard food to come in to your market, when you gave your tick to Nigel.
The ONLY available strategy now is to double down on RT. Market it properly and try drive a premium price for it. Probably won’t work though except on a niche basis. Chickens do tend to come back to the farmyard to roost in my experience.

 

[Ashtree]

well, we were told brexit would seriously damage the livestock trade, especially the sheep job, and the exact opposite has happened, come to the conclusion, everybody is just 'winging it', and nobody really knows where it will end up. Things seem to alter by the week, but RT, if them, could be binned next week, it would leave us half a chance to compete, with the imports, that will flow in. Alas, that won't happen, but if RT keep inventing new conditions, at the rate they are, finally, there won't be enough farmers left, to pay their wages !

Not a single kilo of agriculture produce from new trade arrangements has arrived on your shelves yet. But it will arrive. When it dose and gains critical mass, market forces will kick in.
That’s what NFU advised you lot day one. Brexit would be bad for your business. Now that Brexit is a reality and the trade deals are about to become a reality, the inevitable consequences will also become a reality. NFU is totally consistent in its message, when it now says 30% will go out of the industry. Shooting the messenger will be of no help. As for the brown tractor…..

 

[bobk]

Help me out here. Are you saying the new trade deals, which welcome floods of “low standard“, low cost beef have nothing to do with Brexit? Explain please.

Whereas , courtesy of your mate Larry we were getting low cost beef undermining our market and paying 13 billion for the privilege

 

[BrianV]

Not a single kilo of agriculture produce from new trade arrangements has arrived on your shelves yet. But it will arrive. When it dose and gains critical mass, market forces will kick in.
That’s what NFU advised you lot day one. Brexit would be bad for your business. Now that Brexit is a reality and the trade deals are about to become a reality, the inevitable consequences will also become a reality. NFU is totally consistent in its message, when it now says 30% will go out of the industry. Shooting the messenger will be of no help. As for the brown tractor…..

If the NFU is not in existence to fight for it’s members benefit then what is the point of it?

 

[Ashtree]

Whereas , courtesy of your mate Larry we were getting low cost beef undermining our market and paying 13 billion for the privilege

Hey ho. There’s Larry, and others including the huge supermarket, etc, all who are globalists. That said, their capacity in the EU in the food sector is controlled by EU trade deals and EU policy of protecting it‘s food supply. What Brexiteers witheringly refer to as “protectionism”!
You have stepped away from that system and the inevitable consequence follow. Kicking the sh1tt out of the NFU and doing wheelies in a brown tractor, seems now to be solution of choice in TFF.

 

[bobk]

Hey ho. There’s Larry, and others including the huge supermarket, etc, all who are globalists. That said, their capacity in the EU in the food sector is controlled by EU trade deals and EU policy of protecting it‘s food supply. What Brexiteers witheringly refer to as “protectionism”!
You have stepped away from that system and the inevitable consequence follow. Kicking the sh1tt out of the NFU and doing wheelies in a brown tractor, seems now to be solution of choice in TFF.

Nowt wrong with kicking sh!t out of the no f**king use union , bunch of parasites

 

[Drillman]

So if the price of RT and non RT produce to the farmer is the same, just walk away from it. No point in incurring cost for no return. That seems reasonable to me.
But this lunacy of launching another brand “brown tractor“ produce, is laughable. It will be the official British low standard, muck, unsafe, produce in the eyes of the consumer. Its very existence will taint all British food in the public eye. Madness of the highest possible order.
You guys need to go into a dark room and rethink this whole thing. You mainly voted for low cost/standard food to come in to your market, when you gave your tick to Nigel.
The ONLY available strategy now is to double down on RT. Market it properly and try drive a premium price for it. Probably won’t work though except on a niche basis. Chickens do tend to come back to the farmyard to roost in my experience.

That’s the problem, rt think there the saviour of British ag,

They couldn’t market there way out of a wet paper bag and don’t understand what the word premium means!

All I know is In Several instances rt have managed to manoeuvre there selves between us and the next step along the supply chain and demand there protection money,

As for imports well what will be will be as far as that’s concerned, but this isn’t the issue here, What is an issue is a private British company putting themselves between producer and end user taking money for nothing in return, What makes it worse is the boss of the company suggesting imports are better!

 

[average farmer]

what was the imported grain actually tested for that our grain isn't ??

 

[Drillman]

what was the imported grain actually tested for that our grain isn't ??

Oh it has huge amounts of testing done by well qualified scientists in a hermetically sealed lab. Takes ages you know,

Jim Mosley head of red tractor says so

therefore it must be true.

 

[average farmer]

Oh it has huge amounts of testing done by well qualified scientists in a hermetically sealed lab. Takes ages you know,

Jim Mosley head of red tractor says so

therefore it must be true.

must be loads rejected then..... bet its expensive to take back to the farm

 

[Drillman]

must be loads rejected then..... bet its expensive to take back to the farm

Oh no it’s better than ours apparently according to Mr Mosley….

 

[HatsOff]

I think the NFU just recognise the reality that a Conservative government isn't going to listen to them on the big issues (i.e. large subsidy is finished since it came from Europe) and if they fight too hard any influence they might have will diminish further.

 

[average farmer]

Oh no it’s better than ours apparently according to Mr Mosley….

that just cant be possible! I'm red tractor assured. That's the best you can get ! It must have been a lot cheaper .

I'm kicking myself tor selling grain forward this year, mainly because its gone up but another reason is because I've sold it as approved grain. Every bit I sell from now on I'm going to ask the question of price difference between assured and non assured

 

[som farmer]

Not a single kilo of agriculture produce from new trade arrangements has arrived on your shelves yet. But it will arrive. When it dose and gains critical mass, market forces will kick in.
That’s what NFU advised you lot day one. Brexit would be bad for your business. Now that Brexit is a reality and the trade deals are about to become a reality, the inevitable consequences will also become a reality. NFU is totally consistent in its message, when it now says 30% will go out of the industry. Shooting the messenger will be of no help. As for the brown tractor…..

brown tractor is pointless,
yes, we know food stuffs, of dodgy assurance will arrive, not a lot we can do about, it's out of our control, we have to learn to cope with it, or stop farming, or grow hay meadows, and take the payments, which won't be as generous, as we are led to believe.
But, we don't have a choice, there was a referendum, the result was out, and surprisingly, the politicians actually took us out. That is democracy, and how our system works, so bugger all, we can do about it, all we can do is try and work, with what we have. It will be the same old story, those that are willing to adapt, will survive, those that won't ............ rather harsh, but a simple fact.
As for RT & NFU, they should be shoved, where the sun don't shine, alas, that won't happen, so another cross to bear.

 

[tullah]

Out of interest if I was starting growing cereals from scratch, whats the latest stage in the growth cycle or month in the year that I could put off applying to join RT for the forthcoming harvest to become assured.

 

[Nearly]

Out of interest if I was starting growing cereals from scratch, whats the latest stage in the growth cycle or month in the year that I could put off applying to join RT for the forthcoming harvest to become assured.

How quick can a cheque clear?

what was the imported grain actually tested for that our grain isn't ??

Gullability

 

[Raider112]

So if the price of RT and non RT produce to the farmer is the same, just walk away from it. No point in incurring cost for no return. That seems reasonable to me.
But this lunacy of launching another brand “brown tractor“ produce, is laughable. It will be the official British low standard, muck, unsafe, produce in the eyes of the consumer. Its very existence will taint all British food in the public eye. Madness of the highest possible order.
You guys need to go into a dark room and rethink this whole thing. You mainly voted for low cost/standard food to come in to your market, when you gave your tick to Nigel.
The ONLY available strategy now is to double down on RT. Market it properly and try drive a premium price for it. Probably won’t work though except on a niche basis. Chickens do tend to come back to the farmyard to roost in my experience.

This Brown Tractor idea wouldn't be needed if there was a premium on Red Tractor but as there isn't we need a basic standard that sets the market price and a higher standard that pays a premium. That will be set by supply and demand, if there is a premium we'll have a decision to make on whether to join red tractor but if they can't provide a premium the customer obviously doesn't rate red tractor so they aren't needed.

For the first time in their existence they would have to justify their existence.

P.S. The Brexit vote was over 5 years ago, we moved on years ago so maybe it's time the EU countries did too.

 

[turbo]

Not a single kilo of agriculture produce from new trade arrangements has arrived on your shelves yet. But it will arrive. When it dose and gains critical mass, market forces will kick in.
That’s what NFU advised you lot day one. Brexit would be bad for your business. Now that Brexit is a reality and the trade deals are about to become a reality, the inevitable consequences will also become a reality. NFU is totally consistent in its message, when it now says 30% will go out of the industry. Shooting the messenger will be of no help. As for the brown tractor…..

It will be replacing the cheep eu meat or do you think you are going to keep getting free access to our markets for ever?

 

[Ashtree]

This Brown Tractor idea wouldn't be needed if there was a premium on Red Tractor but as there isn't we need a basic standard that sets the market price and a higher standard that pays a premium. That will be set by supply and demand, if there is a premium we'll have a decision to make on whether to join red tractor but if they can't provide a premium the customer obviously doesn't rate red tractor so they aren't needed.

For the first time in their existence they would have to justify their existence.

P.S. The Brexit vote was over 5 years ago, we moved on years ago so maybe it's time the EU countries did too.

Indeed. The EU has moved on. Period. Seems you lot on here have moved sideways, from blaming the EU, to blaming home grown bogey men, like NFU and RT.
Meanwhile Farage is leading by example from shifting his attention from blaming the EU to blaming one of the ALL TIME GREAT BRITISH INSTITUTIONS, the RNLI. Theres no depth to which that snake won’t plumb.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Indeed. The EU has moved on. Period. Seems you lot on here have moved sideways, from blaming the EU, to blaming home grown bogey men, like NFU and RT.
Meanwhile Farage is leading by example from shifting his attention from blaming the EU to blaming one of the ALL TIME GREAT BRITISH INSTITUTIONS, the RNLI. Theres no depth to which that snake won’t plumb.

To be honest. You are talking crap. It's nothing to do with EU. You are shoehorning other stuff in