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No Till Where to start?

Discussion in 'Direct Drilling General Discussion' started by Jimmy3645, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. Jimmy3645

    Jimmy3645 New Member

    Location:
    Bebington
    I’m really interested in the strip till drills but I often find people end up saying its just a half way house and if your going to do it you might as well go for it properly and dd.... maybe it depends on the soil type too....
     
  2. farmerm

    farmerm Member

    Location:
    Shropshire
    Our ground has ploughed very well this year...
     
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  3. Jimmy3645

    Jimmy3645 New Member

    Location:
    Bebington
    Sorry yeh you’re right i meant it seems a shame to plough nice dry ground..... often its muddy and sticky here and when it ploughs up dryish you feel good, especially when the neighbors have got all their cultivators in the shed..... but this year they’ve almost finished....
     
  4. E_B

    E_B Member

    Location:
    Norfolk
    I shouldn't listen too much to other people (the irony) if you have a strong gut feeling. We have a strip till drill and I can't imagine replacing it for a no till drill anytime due to soil types, forage maize, etc. Occasionally I think one would be complementary but not often enough.
     
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  5. I suppose the next question is how much do you charge for spuds?
     
  6. Brisel

    Brisel Member

    Location:
    Dorset
    I didn't go full no till because I didn't want to see a yield drop like so many have around here. Sure, the yields will go back up again as the soil biology gets going but a bit of yield pays for a lot of cultivations in the short term.
     
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  7. wellingtonfarmer

    Location:
    Herefordshire
    Yep I'm in my second season of the Mzuri, so far so good, we did have spuds in the rotation last year but not this year, you can definitely see where the spuds have been! Give Mzuri a ring you won't find a better firm to deal with!
    Where about west mids you based?
     
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  8. Jimmy3645

    Jimmy3645 New Member

    Location:
    Bebington
    Only about 30 mins from Wellington if thats where you are..... I’d certainly be keen to come and have a look at a Mzuri one day.... I’m guessing having a machine on demo to drill on some stubble which has been ploughed for years on end might not show the best results...?
    Another question.... are people using the same drills to put their cover crops in?
    Thanks again
     
  9. parker

    parker Member

    Location:
    south staffs
    Hi Jimmy
    if your serious about looking after your soil I would drop potatoes out of the rotation, my experience in a wet year you are no better off as it takes a few years for your soil to recover(also yields) so no benefit financially or a losslong term.
    You are welcome to come here, I am just north of Wolverhampton, I stripped tilled for 5 years and have been in conservation ag (no til) for 4 seasons, no yield loss at all only gains.
     
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  10. Badshot

    Badshot Member

    Location:
    Kent
    I started DD in a wet autumn.
    Absolutely no chance of cultivating.
    Too wet
    Decided to go straight into stubbles with my KV tineseeder.
    Been doing that ever since.
    Followed it with paddle rolls, made an acceptable job of it.
    Now gone zero till, with a weaving gd.
    Osr looks OK so far .
    First wheat is just showing in the row, looks very promising.
    Beans going in soon.
    Linseed this year was amazing for such a dry year.
     
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  11. somebodies got to grow spuds else there b no chips
     
  12. pine_guy

    pine_guy Member

    Location:
    North Cumbria
    well if spuds are so bad for the soil/planet, then we should tell the vegans they can't have them any more. Out of interest are there any other ways to grow spuds, like hydroponics. sorry, a bit off topic
     
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  13. Of course. The market will dictate, but its not worth it for a no tiller for just £100 more than normal.
     
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  14. pine_guy

    pine_guy Member

    Location:
    North Cumbria
    so a bit of googling shows some small scale (garden) size growing of potatoes under straw. wonder if that could be scaled up. Of course, the cost of straw will mean these eco soil friendly potatoes will need to demand a high premium. interesting all the same. What do they do with all the straw the cover carrots/parsnips with. Is it lifted? could it be left in situ for planting potatoes in?
     
  15. pine_guy

    pine_guy Member

    Location:
    North Cumbria
  16. GeorgeK

    GeorgeK Member

    Location:
    Leicestershire
    Why not ease the transition by getting a shallow stubble cultivator as well. Lots of people work the top inch or two to create a stale seed bed then use a direct drill to minimise disturbance and weed germination. This will also level the fields if they are ridged from ploughing which will make the job better all round. Direct drills also work just fine in conventional seed beds if they are rolled, so you can reduce ploughing gradually as you gain experience
     
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  17. Jimmy3645

    Jimmy3645 New Member

    Location:
    Bebington
    Thanks, some really good info, but how would a strip till drill like a mzuri manage in a wet Autumn?
    Also what machines are you guys using to sow your cover crops?
     
  18. I’ve been in a similar situation to you. Had spuds in the rotation on and off for the last 30 odd years. You will need to cultivate the spud ground for a couple of years to get it level. I use a KV CLC which is flexible to get a chit or work deeper. Then a Horsch sprinter which will work either as a dd drill or min-till. Plenty of options for low disturbance openers available for them.
     
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