no till

[Billboy1]

if no till becomes a sfi option will we be able to claim twice a year ? for instance if doing over winter cover crop then a spring crop just a thought

 

[Bob lincs]

I would like to know what they are going to class as no til ! I know several no tillers who subsoil use harrows , light carrier type discs and still call claim they practice no till how will it be policed? . I could subsoil and follow with my combie drill and call my self a no tiller or even in the right conditions drill straight into stubble with a cultivator drill .

 

[DieselRob]

No

It looked to me like it was going to be a 3yr option so wouldn’t be able to be rotational either

 

[Against_the_grain]

No

It looked to me like it was going to be a 3yr option so wouldn’t be able to be rotational either

What thats mad. The only appeal of no-till is the ability to use it when it fits the rotation without comprising yield.

 

[DieselRob]

What thats mad. The only appeal of no-till is the ability to use it when it fits the rotation without comprising yield.

Where’s the environmental benefit to no till 1 year then plough it the 2 years after?

 

[Wombat]

My issue with this is how do you rectify stuff in years like this, we have areas where water has stood for nearly 6 months now and will have to be lifted and i don;t mean a few bits I mean 15% before we go back in with the sabre tine

 

[Bob lincs]

My issue with this is how do you rectify stuff in years like this, we have areas where water has stood for nearly 6 months now and will have to be lifted and i don;t mean a few bits I mean 15% before we go back in with the sabre tine

Plant some deep rooting cover it will be back to normal in no time

 

[Derrick Hughes]

There's a farmer up here on the Downs that's been on min till for as long as I can remember, he's out ploughing every day ,it's either the wet weather or he's planting a lot of herbal leys

 

[Wombat]

Plant some deep rooting cover it will be back to normal in no time

on the flatlift, sounds like a plan thats what we do anyway, it is low distrubance just not sure you could call it no till

 

[Bob lincs]

on the flatlift, sounds like a plan

Yes broadcast deep rooting cover crop seed with the applicator on the subsoiler that will work , the cover crop will do all the work ignore the subsoiler pretend it wasn’t there.

 

[Grass And Grain]

If I ploughed and combi-drilled to establish winter wheat in autumn 23, but then no-till drill a catch crop 10th August '24 after the wheat, then plough and combi drill some winter barley in same field 1st Oct '24..... will I be able to claim for a SFI no-till drill payment?

 

[Wombat]

Yes broadcast deep rooting cover crop seed with the applicator on the subsoiler that will work , the cover crop will do all the work ignore the subsoiler pretend it wasn’t there.

Please don't offend the flatlift it identifies as a drill.

 

[alomy75]

I would like to know what they are going to class as no til ! I know several no tillers who subsoil use harrows , light carrier type discs and still call claim they practice no till how will it be policed? . I could subsoil and follow with my combie drill and call my self a no tiller or even in the right conditions drill straight into stubble with a cultivator drill .

In the pilot they limited the operational depth which; despite being impossible to police; is probably the only way they could define ‘no till’ but I’m sure I’ve read LD subsoiling will be allowed.

 

[Bob lincs]

In the pilot they limited the operational depth which; despite being impossible to police; is probably the only way they could define ‘no till’ but I’m sure I’ve read LD subsoiling will be allowed.

So can I LD subsoil then run my combie or Freeflow 40/50 mm deep and claim I’m saving the planet .

 

[Flatland guy]

I thought the only no till is chucking/ spreading the seed on and hoping for the best, obviously not treated of course.

 

[jonnieboy]

If I ploughed and combi-drilled to establish winter wheat in autumn 23, but then no-till drill a catch crop 10th August '24 after the wheat, then plough and combi drill some winter barley in same field 1st Oct '24..... will I be able to claim for a SFI no-till drill payment?

I hope not

 

[Flatland guy]

The problem is the industry has used many methods and statements and they are all misleading. To be fully legal in a notill situation, you have to be careful with what chemicals you do apply etc and check the legal status of the following crops if entering for sfi cover/ catch crops etc. It really is a minefield and Tbh most chemical(herbicide) labels nearly need to be reworded to be fully legal with Sfi protocols.

 

[Clive]

In the pilot they limited the operational depth which; despite being impossible to police; is probably the only way they could define ‘no till’ but I’m sure I’ve read LD subsoiling will be allowed.

% Previous crop stubble disturbance would be much better way

 

[Bob lincs]

I can see that a drill such as a 750A , GD , Avatar, Sly/Horizon really don’t disturb much soil where something like a sabretine, Claydon, Mziuri , Amazon move quite a lot of soil but achieve the same result and still claim to be no til . I doubt there are many “ No tillers “ in this country that are not doing some sort of subsoiling of min tillage in front of their drills .

 

[Bob lincs]

% Previous crop stubble disturbance would be much better way

But how would you police it ?