Non stun/stun
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I suspect you're not. I suspect you are strongly opposed to non-stun killing and (wrongly) equate the two.
You are correct
Fair bit of devils advocate going on in this forum by people not in farming and/or not from the uk. What new zealand do is up to them this is about stun/non stun in the uk. It shouldnt be a religious debate or economic debate, its a cruelty debate and from my point of view a debate on wether farm assurance is fit for purpose . A good starting point would be a rule where no farm assured animal is allowed to be slaughtered by non stun methods, meat should be clearly labelled as to how it was killed and then farmers/consumers have a choice.
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I wonder why we have this situation - Halal is mostly (80%+ in the UK, 100% in NZ) pre-stun, Kosher is always non-stun, yet it seems more 'acceptable' to be anti-Halal than anti-Kosher. Not a personal slight - you are not alone in this issue in this thread, and it is sadly even more common in the wider population.
Ffs I got mixed up that’s all
[emoji23][emoji23] devils advocate yes people not in farming / from the uk I think not. Just because my location says NSW doesn’t mean I don’t have active involvement in uk ag.
The reason I’m playing devils advocate is I would like to find a solution and sometimes it’s the best way.
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Wasn't wanting it to be personal, as I thought I'd made clear. I was merely pondering why so many do get it mixed up - seems more do than don't, across here and Facebook etc.
Meant light hearted [emoji846]
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With the Internet there has never been more choice for the farmer, nearly all non halal abattoirs accept stock direct? They will pay deadweight.
The simple fact is the vast majority of farmers are happy to sell to halal/kosher plants and a very, very small minority of farmers are trying to ban this and take this choice and market away.
I know of a few farmers who will be buying several thousand hoggs from store marts over the next few weeks. The sole aim is to send them for slaughter in another few months, when the Muslim Ramadam starts.
Several thousand farmers will be holding ewes/hoggs back until it is the Eid festival, watch marts all around the country have record breaking livestock numbers to sell that week.
The argument that British Farmers are against Halal just doesn't carry any weight.
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But i don't think many farmers are against Halal. I would imagine most would be against non stun and Kosher but i would think stunned Halal would be acceptable. You need to define what your against better and not label all Halal into the non stunned category.
Will all those be killed by non stun smith31? I doubt it as a large section of muslims accept stunned kill. If non stun was banned and imports of non stun banned, do you think they would stop eating meat? I doubt it. Some illegal slaughtering would spring up but not enough to satisfy demand. Norway,poland and denmark have banned non stun. I think every country should set rules by majority vote and then people can choose were to live.
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How come the EU has not made a rule on this ?
I think they did but the uk used a exemption. All the stupid EU rules that infuriate us and the uk chooses to ignore this one, purely on political grounds to avoid an uprising. Crazy
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Most probably will be non- stun. However, when done properly it is a quick death.
When put into context animals in the UK face a far greater amount of pain and suffering on the farm, then they do in the abattoirs and the last 10 seconds of their life. A abattoir vet could more or less go into any dairy farm and find cows which he/she could class as ill or miss treated. Look around any field there are always 1 or 2 lame sheep. Where do we draw the line?.
With regards to Poland, they send horses from there to Italy for slaughter in freezing conditions. Denmark sends pigs to German abattoirs. They don't excel in animal welfare themselves to be honest.
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I'm glad we live in a country where you are allowed to express your opinion and I am allowed to disagree with you. That is quite frankly the most stupid thing I have read for a very long time, and is exactly how wars have been started. I suspect millions of displaced refugees throughout the world would agree with me too.
Wtf are you on about?! Ofcourse opinions should be allowed and debated but democratic vote should be too, thats how laws are made. If i went to live in a foreign country, i would respect there rules and abide by them or expect to be in trouble. Wars are started by corruption ,fraud and people thinking they are above the laws of the land . If it wasnt for political meddling in other peoples countries there wouldnt be so many refugees, we need to sort ourselves out first. Uk first, a bit like trumps america first policy. Your turning this into a racial debate, not me. Everybodys welcome in my book as long as we all abide by the same set of rules. Thats why it angers me that some people get an exemption on cruelty but others would be jailed for the same act.
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You're advocating making people leave their country if they are 'a bit different'. That's something different from democracy. We need tolerance of others, not rejection.
This thread is about stun/non stun so your calling someone that inflicts cruelty as someone who is 'different' and we should be tolerant of them! The charter of uk vets has called for it to be stopped so thats good enough for me.
Quick death? Gasping through a slit wind pipe while choking on there own blood! And thats only sheep, you go and witness a cow being done, it will give you nightmares. There are cases of cruelty on some farms thats why we have vets and then trading standards and the rspca who seem to be asleep on the job nowadays.
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