NRoSO making life more difficult

[ajd132]

I wouldn’t want my agronomist driving my sprayer. No disrespect to him. He’s a fine agronomist, but he’s no sprayer operator.

All the stuff I go to for basis points you can get nroso points also

 

[4course]

seems the new enforcement officers have stolen 7 hard earned points without any consultation and further more have made life more difficult going forward . I think they should honour the existing i.e previous terms we signed upto before altering their conditions. I reckon its basically theft

 

[DrWazzock]

All the stuff I go to for basis points you can get nroso points also

I’m sure you can. But that disregards the “art and craft” of actually operating a machine. It’s symptomatic of the arrogance and disdain shown to the craftsman by the academic bureaucrat who thinks theoretical knowledge is all you need. I’d say 80% of the sprayer drivers job isn’t even covered by NROSO. It really would be stretching it to say BASIS qualification implies competence to operate a sprayer.

 

[Phil P]

Sorry but it’s not difficult to get 10 points! Unless they’ve change it, 4 off the guy who tests the sprayer, 4 off your agronomist and if I remember right you can get two from this forum. It’s hardly challenging but I’ve not seen the latest rules on what you get points for.

 

[DrWazzock]

Sorry but it’s not difficult to get 10 points! Unless they’ve change it, 4 off the guy who tests the sprayer, 4 off your agronomist and if I remember right you can get two from this forum. It’s hardly challenging but I’ve not seen the latest rules on what you get points for.

It’s not challenging considered in isolation like that. But it a lot of little bureaucratic faffs that take time to chase up and add to the ever increasing list. I’ve always attended the MOT for example but often find the tester doesn’t complete the paperwork at his end to register my attendance points so I waste loads of time chasing it up. Likewise with my agronomist. He’s in a hurry. Sometimes I don’t even see him. We don’t really have time to faff about “having a meeting” recording it and registering it etc. It all adds up and snowballs.

 

[PSQ]

Just a reminder to Scottish farmers that under SQC / Scottish Quality Cereals (RT equivalent) rules, we no longer need to be NROSO members.

Instead an annual certificate of attendance at a qualifying 10 point spray operators course is sufficient to show ‘CPD’. Ringlink do a series of half day courses throughout Scotland, and they’re actually quite good. No more having to collect points at open days, especially now the new NRoSO want 10 points a year and not 30 over 3, and they won’t carry over unused points which is a bit sh!t.

 

[ajd132]

I’m sure you can. But that disregards the “art and craft” of actually operating a machine. It’s symptomatic of the arrogance and disdain shown to the craftsman by the academic bureaucrat who thinks theoretical knowledge is all you need. I’d say 80% of the sprayer drivers job isn’t even covered by NROSO. It really would be stretching it to say BASIS qualification implies competence to operate a sprayer.

Most of the art and craft of the job you learn through experience I agree. My guys who go on nroso courses say it barely changes year on year. I still do a fair bit of spraying but I don’t think the jobs exactly changed since I started 12 years ago when I was 19!

 

[Jo28]

Sorry but it’s not difficult to get 10 points! Unless they’ve change it, 4 off the guy who tests the sprayer, 4 off your agronomist and if I remember right you can get two from this forum. It’s hardly challenging but I’ve not seen the latest rules on what you get points for.

you only get 3 from testing sprayer

 

[Jo28]

NRoSO have changed the rule about collecting points.
You now have to collect 10 every year, not 30 over 3 and you will not be allowed to roll spare points over to the next year.
Yet another "straw on the camels back" of rules and regs. that have to be remembered, not just getting the points, but registering them when you do.
It's all very well for the FSOOTY winning "poster boy", who only drives the sprayer and spends the rest of the year polishing it (no offence to the FSOOTY entrants, I'm having a go at NRoSO).
The rest of us have a thousand and one other things to think about, from cross compliance rules, animal tagging and recording, Red tractor rules and records to VAT returns and self assessment tax. It's a good job none of us have family stuff to think about too .
Well don NRoSO !

since when??? havent heard or seen this

 

[Phil P]

It’s not challenging considered in isolation like that. But it a lot of little bureaucratic faffs that take time to chase up and add to the ever increasing list. I’ve always attended the MOT for example but often find the tester doesn’t complete the paperwork at his end to register my attendance points so I waste loads of time chasing it up. Likewise with my agronomist. He’s in a hurry. Sometimes I don’t even see him. We don’t really have time to faff about “having a meeting” recording it and registering it etc. It all adds up and snowballs.

Sprayer guy should do the paperwork before leaving the yard and if my agronomist couldn’t find the time to do a simple form for me he’d be getting his ass punched let alone not speaking to me when he’s on site!

I know if you have stock every day can be busy but for arable farmers this really shouldn’t be that taxing.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Sorry but it’s not difficult to get 10 points! Unless they’ve change it, 4 off the guy who tests the sprayer, 4 off your agronomist and if I remember right you can get two from this forum. It’s hardly challenging but I’ve not seen the latest rules on what you get points for.

What do you think to the new rule, whereby we can't carry points over to the following year (if we've got more than 10).

Maybe you went to effort of filling in agronomist meeting form (2 points each), then you paid £50 to get 10 points from annual NRoSO training day. You'd be holding 14 points, but 4 would evaporate at end of the year.

 

[Jo28]

What do you think to the new rule, whereby we can't carry points over to the following year (if we've got more than 10).

Maybe you went to effort of filling in agronomist meeting form (2 points each), then you paid £50 to get 10 points from annual NRoSO training day. You'd be holding 14 points, but 4 would evaporate at end of the year.

its a Joke, absolutely no reason for it!!!

 

[Grass And Grain]

its a Joke, absolutely no reason for it!!!

I'm going to write a letter from British Farming Union to say this is unfair and unreasonable, and they must allow us to carry over points from one year onto the next.

 

[Drillman]

Let’s face it if you get behind 30 points takes a bit of rustling up.

10 points isn’t as hard. So think most folks will largely ignore it till they get the warning letter of been struck off then do something about it.

im certainly making no further effort to collect points until I’m forced.

End of day basic don’t seem to have a clue how many points most of us have anyway, myself and others they have lost points and are in a total mess with the website so there not really in a position to argue it are they.

I suspect they have only changed the rules as there unable to cope and are hoping that starting from a clean sheet of paper works!

 

[Phil P]

What do you think to the new rule, whereby we can't carry points over to the following year (if we've got more than 10).

Maybe you went to effort of filling in agronomist meeting form (2 points each), then you paid £50 to get 10 points from annual NRoSO training day. You'd be holding 14 points, but 4 would evaporate at end of the year.

I agree it’s not ideal but like @Drillman says, it will be to stop those that don’t do anything until the end of year 3 and hen need to find 30 points! Like I say finding 10 a year really isn’t much of a struggle.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I accept that there is a need for scrutiny, that operators need to to be properly trained, sprayers need to be properly maintained etc.
But why make the system more rigid, and steel points that you have actually earned !

Operators are all properly trained. Illegal to spray without pa certs and part of that responsibility is maintaining sprayer. Nroso is f**k all to do with that

 

[Phil P]

you only get 3 from testing sprayer

Couldn’t remember exactly but thought it was 3-4, not to a point on a big job

 

[Drillman]

I agree it’s not ideal but like @Drillman says, it will be to stop those that don’t do anything until the end of year 3 and hen need to find 30 points! Like I say finding 10 a year really isn’t much of a struggle.

I’m not defending basis in any way I think they have made a complete hash of things and communication with members is appalling. They knew what they were taking on and should have been on top of the job from day 1 at the very least they owe us all an apology for continuing to take our money but not offering the service we expect.

As for not allowing a point carry over if there really trying to pull that sort of trick on us without any discussion or sound reasoning I think just shows that all there interested in is the money!

end of the day they have us all on the same start date now so unless they sort them selves out a mass walkout by farmers isn’t going to be hard to do!

 

[britt]

I agree it’s not ideal but like @Drillman says, it will be to stop those that don’t do anything until the end of year 3 and hen need to find 30 points! Like I say finding 10 a year really isn’t much of a struggle.

It's the added pressure of getting 10 every year that I object to.
I have an independent agronomist, so don't get offered a 10 point event. Even if you do, if you are ill that day, or one of the kids is off school ill, or you have to take a parent to a hospital appointment, or you have to wait for the vet, etc, you are stuffed. I intended to get some at Cereals, but didn't go because of hay making, the weather controlled that.
If you've got a few "in the bank" at the start of the year there's less pressure and you have a buffer if you have a difficult year.
It's just one more thing hammering away at a tired brain that's trying its hardest to do what's right.

 

[quattro]

I'm going to write a letter from British Farming Union to say this is unfair and unreasonable, and they must allow us to carry over points from one year onto the next.

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