Agreed! But how do we get it confirmed?
i’m going to try ask a few questions a bit higher up from the helpline.
Agreed! But how do we get it confirmed?
Agreed! But how do we get it confirmed?
brilliant, many thanksi’ve asked Sandy Kapila to have a look at this thread from post 94 onward and give us a definitive answer he’s taking a look
Interested to see how this ahl2 followed by NUM 3 is taken, it's not in the list of allowable combinations just as multi species winter cover followed by num3 isn't and I know that is easily possible to do (and therefore won't be allowed by the system on application) but it also states it's to allow summer flowers for insects and then winter bird food. Even I think it may be pushing it to claim that following and arable crop unless you can get good establishment from broadcasting seeds into the standing crop.
If it's accepted it may be something for me to add in future, but it will need the system updating to accept it.
Don't really see the importance myself as you have 12 months to complete the action. I do think the scheme will tighten as time progresses.it's not posible to AHL2 and NUM3 in the same year and the system would reject that if you tried to put both on the same parcels BUT if your SFI agreement had a February start date you would not have your AHGL@ and NUM3 on the same parcels in the same year as the year changes between end of AHL2 and the start of the NUM3
agreement start dates could prove very important !
Well I’m going to try it! I mentioned on another thread that I could meet the aims of ahl2 tight in behind winter barley (maybe autocast seed at harvest) then spray off in March, then drill num3, wheat in autumn. If the system lets me apply num3 next January on that same parcel I’ll do it, if not I’ll just make do with my own voluntary, unfunded fallow.What are your thoughts on getting clarification on this? I have just spoken to a brilliant advisor on the RPA helpline, seemed very knowledgable and clued up on the scheme as a whole. He could see no reason why the following wasnt possible with a Feb start date and a 3 year rotation consisting of Wheat, Barley, AHL2 and NUM3.
AHL2 as an Autumn rotational option and NUM3 as a spring rotational option.
Example: Num3, Wheat, Barley, AHL2
AHL2, Wheat, Barley, Num3
Barley, AHL2, Num3, Wheat
Well I’m going to try it! I mentioned on another thread that I could meet the aims of ahl2 tight in behind winter barley (maybe autocast seed at harvest) then spray off in March, then drill num3, wheat in autumn. If the system lets me apply num3 next January on that same parcel I’ll do it, if not I’ll just make do with my own voluntary, unfunded fallow.
There is a query with Sandy Kapila from RPA asking for clarification on this, @Clive any idea when we might hear back on this?
In terms of weed control, on the contrary, im not too bothered about any weeds in the autumn, as the only weeds that could come to seed in the autumn here are possibly groundsel and perhaps sowthistle? Anyway it all provides cover for wild birds. In fact regrowth from winter barley stubbles might even provide some bird food?The Gross Margin of AHL2 + NUM3 grown in 1 cropping year (maybe taking the place of an unprofitable break crop) looks very favourable. £732 + £593/ha payments minus roughly £100/ha seed costs for each = £1125/ha which would make it comparable to an average wheat crop according to Nix.
Weed control could be difficult though. The AHL2 would have to be sown immediately behind a W barley crop (if not into it), so wouldn't allow for any stale seed bed or spraying off of volunteers. I suppose the AHL2 (and any weeds) could then be sprayed off before the NUM3 is sown.
May aswell have ipm4 another £45. I am tempted to do a chunk of thisThe Gross Margin of AHL2 + NUM3 grown in 1 cropping year (maybe taking the place of an unprofitable break crop) looks very favourable. £732 + £593/ha payments minus roughly £100/ha seed costs for each = £1125/ha which would make it comparable to an average wheat crop according to Nix.
Weed control could be difficult though. The AHL2 would have to be sown immediately behind a W barley crop (if not into it), so wouldn't allow for any stale seed bed or spraying off of volunteers. I suppose the AHL2 (and any weeds) could then be sprayed off before the NUM3 is sown.
Don't think you can have ipm4, as pesticides are excluded on legume fallow at least unless spot sprayed or weed wiped herbicides.May aswell have ipm4 another £45. I am tempted to do a chunk of this