NUM3 - Legume Fallow, now rotational

[DieselRob]

To fulfil the requirements of the option, a legume fallow must be established that produces flowering plants from late spring and during the summer months, including May, June, July and August.

I started a new thread with this question but since it’s popped up here I’ll ask again, do you think legumes will flower by summer if April sown?

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

I started a new thread with this question but since it’s popped up here I’ll ask again, do you think legumes will flower by summer if April sown?

It will probably depend on the legume, peas would do it easily. Presumably if just 1 species of a mixture flowered then it would meet the aims of the scheme?

 

[Clive]

In terms of weed control, on the contrary, im not too bothered about any weeds in the autumn, as the only weeds that could come to seed in the autumn here are possibly groundsel and perhaps sowthistle? Anyway it all provides cover for wild birds. In fact regrowth from winter barley stubbles might even provide some bird food?

Clean up glyphosate in spring, before sowing the NUM3 legume fallow.

The weakness in the idea is bg control in the NUM3, but if DD'd not much ground disturbance to stimulate bg germination?

if BG is a problem you can top it I believe

 

[Clive]

Don't think you can have ipm4, as pesticides are excluded on legume fallow at least unless spot sprayed or weed wiped herbicides.
Unlikely it's allowed on ahl2 either but haven't checked as I'm not doing it.

oddly I think you can on AHL2 but not num3 ? - need to double check that though

 

[Billboy1]

oddly I think you can on AHL2 but not num3 ? - need to double check that though

you can , I'm doing it on ahl2 that is

 

[Banana Bar]

i don’t thing you can take a cash crop in the ahl2 year but maybe wrong on that ?

i’ve been saying for ages that SFI is good IF you do the right things - add in sam1 and the soon to be announced direct drilling and precision farming payments on top of what you list above and it’s better than bps even when income forgone is considered …. and you will still get a % of that bps for a couple years yet as well

Morning Clive, without trawling through all of the posts, have you any clarity on this? My plan is to plant ALH2 after winter barley and then go into spring barley or spring beans in the spring.
BB

 

[Jorow52]

I am planning the same.....

 

[Banana Bar]

I am planning the same.....

I have emailed DEFRA this morning for some clarity. The reply says they will come back to me within 30 working days.

BB

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

I have emailed DEFRA this morning for some clarity. The reply says they will come back to me within 30 working days.

BB

Is that 4 working days / week, or 5?

 

[Badshot]

I have emailed DEFRA this morning for some clarity. The reply says they will come back to me within 30 working days.

BB

I emailed in September
No answer yet.

 

[Clive]

Morning Clive, without trawling through all of the posts, have you any clarity on this? My plan is to plant ALH2 after winter barley and then go into spring barley or spring beans in the spring.
BB

not had a direct answer yet no despite promise of one

I'm just going to do it frankly unless i hear different beteen niow and making my application in January ! I can see nothing stopping me, I can achieve the aims required and the system allows it when I go through application

 

[Billboy1]

not had a direct answer yet no despite promise of one

I'm just going to do it frankly unless i hear different beteen niow and making my application in January ! I can see nothing stopping me, I can achieve the aims required and the system allows it when I go through application

Do you mind me asking what mix you are planting ?

 

[Clive]

Do you mind me asking what mix you are planting ?

not 100% decided yet

AHL2 will have spring barley, buckwheat, millet., rye ........ and some other TBC's

 

[James Ream]

not had a direct answer yet no despite promise of one

I'm just going to do it frankly unless i hear different beteen niow and making my application in January ! I can see nothing stopping me, I can achieve the aims required and the system allows it when I go through application

I'm coming to the same conclusion! However, now been told that application submission has to be made by 31st Dec or whole application needs to be started again. What have you been told regarding when you apply and when your start date might be? I would really like clarity on our above query (Wheat/barley/AHL2/NUM3 rotation) before getting my application in. Just about to try the helpline and see what the implications of waiting until January to apply might be!

 

[moretimeforgolf]

I'm coming to the same conclusion! However, now been told that application submission has to be made by 31st Dec or whole application needs to be started again. What have you been told regarding when you apply and when your start date might be? I would really like clarity on our above query (Wheat/barley/AHL2/NUM3 rotation) before getting my application in. Just about to try the helpline and see what the implications of waiting until January to apply might be!

I got the same email today. I’m still adjusting parts of my plan. Perhaps I’ll submit it over Christmas, then it won’t get verified until January anyway!

 

[James Ream]

 

[James Ream]

What do I get for having flowering plants still at Xmas?!!

 

[benny6910]

What do I get for having flowering plants still at Xmas?!!

a warm feeling inside knowing you have fulfilled the aim of the option?
🫣

 

[Badshot]

What do I get for having flowering plants still at Xmas?!!

Snap

 

[James Ream]