Problem with this argument is that as most people get older, their opinions change. I was talking to a 21 year old lad the other day and he stated that his friends and himself would very much change their vote to leave at this time if asked again. They are sick of what is going on. So please don't assume that all folk under a certain age are going to vote the same way again.
Of the 17.4 million who voted Leave, approx 1.4 million have since died
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That doesn't make sense. We are leaving, what's going on is all about Tory party power struggles and the survival of the party . So how would voting leave change anything.
Well the essence of the thread is an implication that should a second ref. happen, we would vote remain due to people dying. There is no science behind it at all other than 'most oldies voted to leave' and so on. My point is that there is no way of telling what would happen. Personally I think the Leave margin would be greater for a few reasons:That doesn't make sense. We are leaving, what's going on is all about Tory party power struggles and the survival of the party . So how would voting leave change anything.
1. We have now seen how intransigent and arrogant the EU truly are.
2. We are seeing their economies heading toward recession.
3. We thought we were a democracy and yet many of our elected politicians have completely abandoned the manifesto they were elected on. People are angry out there. Even Remain voters. I speak to an awful lot of them every day and I never start the convo but it always comes up.
4. The assumption that all young folk want to remain is nonsense in my view. Certainly the ones I talk to and I am in probably the most alternative town in the UK.
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1.How is the EU intransigent, it's sitting the fence with the rest of us watching the Tory's fighting with each other.
2. May be, maybe not, but we can be sure the UK is .
3 People are angry with the total incompetence of the Government.
4. Not the view I get from my kids, having said that they are all in Scotland so it's probably not surprising.
On point 1, it's the rhetoric. They are acting like bullies. They are so terrified that other countries will follow our lead that they will do anything to protect 'the project' and of course, this causes it's own problems within that project.
On Tusk. The 'special place in hell'. Folk have scrambled to claim this was only aimed at the minority who 'conned' the leave voters. I don't feel conned. I find that statement insulting. He is saying that a few smart people conned all us idiots into voting a certain way. I would guess that there were a huge majority of Remain voters who were told that their lights would go off, couldn't be arsed to research and so voted for the status quo. Are they also idiots?
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The youth voted overwhelmingly in favour of Remain especially the women.
Likewise the over 50 demographic voted overwhelmingly for Leave
Male 18-24: 61% Remain, 39% Leave
Female 18-24: 80% Remain, 20% Leave
Male 25-49: 53% Remain, 47% Leave
Female 25-49: 54% Remain, 46% Leave
Male 50-64: 39% Remain, 61% Leave
Female 50-64: 40% Remain, 60% Leave
Male 65+: 38% Remain, 62% Leave
Female 65+: 34% Remain, 66% Leave
And the argument that youngsters will vote as their parents did as they get older is no longer valid
As the Newsnight video stated, the youth today are way more connected with the world at large via the internet. They are way more socially liberal in regard to equal rights, gay rights and so on and so forth. It's no longer acceptable for brands, or even comedians on the telly, to tell racist or sexist anecdotes. If youngsters adopted the same attitudes of their parents the likes of Bernard Manning would still be on the telly. As per the end of the video, the times they are a changing
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Likewise the over 50 demographic voted overwhelmingly for Leave
Male 18-24: 61% Remain, 39% Leave
Female 18-24: 80% Remain, 20% Leave
Male 25-49: 53% Remain, 47% Leave
Female 25-49: 54% Remain, 46% Leave
Male 50-64: 39% Remain, 61% Leave
Female 50-64: 40% Remain, 60% Leave
Male 65+: 38% Remain, 62% Leave
Female 65+: 34% Remain, 66% Leave
And the argument that youngsters will vote as their parents did as they get older is no longer valid
As the Newsnight video stated, the youth today are way more connected with the world at large via the internet. They are way more socially liberal in regard to equal rights, gay rights and so on and so forth. It's no longer acceptable for brands, or even comedians on the telly, to tell racist or sexist anecdotes. If youngsters adopted the same attitudes of their parents the likes of Bernard Manning would still be on the telly. As per the end of the video, the times they are a changing
EDIT:demographic bar chart attached
What has membership of the EU got to do with racism, sexism or LGBT rights? The times are always changing. It's the same old cr@p coming out of a few and it gets old real quick. You will find that there are an awful lot of youngsters who are deeply racist / sexist / homophobic and increasingly I note, narcissistic and cut off from what I would consider normal human interaction. It's something I have found disturbing.
Remember that most of the people you are labelling grew up in the 60's which was a time of peace, love, sexual freedom and inclusion.
Not much changes I'm afraid.
Remember that most of the people you are labelling grew up in the 60's which was a time of peace, love, sexual freedom and inclusion.
Not much changes I'm afraid.
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Good plan there. Drag the country through the gutter instead.
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He is a well regarded professional statistician. What are your qualifications?
Former chairman of YouGov and BBC polls organiser at previous general elections. Not a very good track record I might say without fear of contradiction. The demographic is constantly changing and always has. Lets have another referendum every month, every year or as often as you like.
Lets have a referendum to increase the minimum voting age and see how the demographic plays out. If you don`t like the result, exclude over 60s and under 30s and have another one.
We voted to leave the EU and will never get another chance. Those who voted remain did not vote for the relative comfort of the status quo but to be part of the future path of EU federalism over which they will have no control. It is about time that the younger generation were brought to understand this
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Ok how are they acting like bullies then?
As for Tusk's comment it was aimed at the right wing political elite who have specifically manufactured this debacle, and he is dead right. I hope in the years to come they are brought to account in a court of law for there undemocratic and selfish actions.
You mean like Heath, Major, Blair and Brown.You are a real optimist if you think that is likely, ask Teflon Tony.
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Fake "George Soros Vote" .. no thanks.
I'll take democracy .. about time Remoaners accepted the real world rather than George Soros's fairy tales.
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George who?
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The bloke who Putin and his populist lackeys love to hate for standing up against them.
NO. Present oldies voted for a Common Market, NOT for a HUGE POLITICAL STATE.
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