Of the 17.4 million who voted Leave, approx 1.4 million have since died

arcobob

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Norfolk
:cautious:
bit of fake news in the headline
i took the survey data age distribution plus the national death statistic, plus 72.2% of people voted, you get figures of
upto end 2018
approximately
404,000 remain votes have died
683,00 leave voters have died

difference of 278,000
Can you predict how long it will be before the demographic favours the remoaners and what will be the state of EU finances when that point is reached? Don’t spend too much time working out the answer because it won’t change anything one iota, much as their pointless ramblings do.
 

stewart

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Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Well the essence of the thread is an implication that should a second ref. happen, we would vote remain due to people dying. There is no science behind it at all other than 'most oldies voted to leave' and so on. My point is that there is no way of telling what would happen. Personally I think the Leave margin would be greater for a few reasons:

1. We have now seen how intransigent and arrogant the EU truly are.
2. We are seeing their economies heading toward recession.
3. We thought we were a democracy and yet many of our elected politicians have completely abandoned the manifesto they were elected on. People are angry out there. Even Remain voters. I speak to an awful lot of them every day and I never start the convo but it always comes up.
4. The assumption that all young folk want to remain is nonsense in my view. Certainly the ones I talk to and I am in probably the most alternative town in the UK.
1. The UK Prime Minister did a deal with the EU which the government rejected, why send someone to do a deal without the authority to complete it, the UK is the one that is being intransigent, as for arrogance don't get me started, no one can do arrogance like the Brits, in particular the Brexitears, just look at the comments " They need us more than we need them" "We have the highest welfare standards in the world" "Our regulations are higher than anyone else". that arrogance has delayed a trade deal with Japan.
https://www.ft.com/content/9cd62bde-32ba-11e9-bd3a-8b2a211d90d5
2. The EU economies have grown more than the UK for several years, are they going into recession?
3. The manifesto was for a referendum, which the public got, the result was a close one but never the less was a vote to leave, the process for leaving is now being gone through.
4. Correct not all young folk want to leave, most do, or at least the ones I speak to do.

The government really is in a pr*ck of a position, I am generally opposed to re votes, once the die is cast stick with it. Having seen the debacle that has ensued I think another vote might be the answer, at least now the voting public can see what untruths were being told before the last vote and can vote accordingly. I fail to see why the Brexitears object to this, they are so adamant that it will be a resounding victory they should be promoting it, then the government will have a firm mandate to act on instead of a 51.89% result.
 

AndrewM

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BASIS
Location
Devon
:cautious:
Can you predict how long it will be before the demographic favours the remoaners and what will be the state of EU finances when that point is reached? Don’t spend too much time working out the answer because it won’t change anything one iota, much as their pointless ramblings do.

thats a different question as you keep adding a new years worth of 18 year olds,

2020 best guess, not long, assuming no-one changed their minds lol,

but depends on how likely 18 years are to register to vote and how likely they are to vote, both of which i dont know. so used the average 92% of adults registered to vote and %72 of those bothered to vote in

each year
leave, 380k 19-100+ voters die and gain 145K new 18year old leave voters
remain, 224K 19-100+ voters die and gain 356K new 18 year old leave voters

but 18 year olds dont vote/register in those numbers,
and people do change their minds
 

Bomber_Harris

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Location
London
thats a different question as you keep adding a new years worth of 18 year olds,

2020 best guess, not long, assuming no-one changed their minds lol,

but depends on how likely 18 years are to register to vote and how likely they are to vote, both of which i dont know. so used the average 92% of adults registered to vote and %72 of those bothered to vote in

each year
leave, 380k 19-100+ voters die and gain 145K new 18year old leave voters
remain, 224K 19-100+ voters die and gain 356K new 18 year old leave voters

but 18 year olds dont vote/register in those numbers,
and people do change their minds

so your calculations arrive at the date of 2020

same as that predicted in the Newsnight video in my opening post. So what gives with your earlier 'fake news' comment when you've basically agreed with the synopsis
 

Bomber_Harris

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Location
London
Because only 760k leave voters have died not 1.4 million

you stated earlier that your numbers went up to the end of 2018. The 1.4 million is to present day

I also suspect you're using the overall death rate stat from England & Wales only, and not the UK, which of course also includes Scotland and Northern Ireland

Whatever the case, you've crunched your own set of numbers and have broadly speaking arrived at the same outcome as the Newsnight clip and the video posted by Cowabunga
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
you stated earlier that your numbers went up to the end of 2018. The 1.4 million is to present day

I also suspect you're using the overall death rate stat from England & Wales only, and not the UK, which of course also includes Scotland and Northern Ireland

Whatever the case, you've crunched your own set of numbers and have broadly speaking arrived at the same outcome as the Newsnight clip and the video posted by Cowabunga
There are so many ifs and buts in all these calculations. Why bother. As Mark Twain said "There are three types of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics".
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I don't see any point in having a second referendum unless it results a clear majority either way. And unfortunately for Remain I don't see that situation happening for a couple of years yet (unless euthanasia becomes compulsory in the over 65's :whistle:). A no deal will be truly disastrous with consequences that none of us as yet can truly envisage.TM's deal whilst putting the UK in a markedly worse situation than it currently is, will at least allow for a more structured departure whilst keeping the open door to a future permanent and comprehensive trade and cooperation deal.
 

Bomber_Harris

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Location
London
BREAKING: UK Govt have just admitted there isn't enough time to conclude a FTA with Japan or Turkey before 29/3/19

"We will not transition this agreement for exit day"

I feel an Article 50 extension is in the works

brace, brace.
 

Ashtree

Member
BREAKING: UK Govt have just admitted there isn't enough time to conclude a FTA with Japan or Turkey before 29/3/19

"We will not transition this agreement for exit day"

I feel an Article 50 extension is in the works

brace, brace.

There’s no rush really. If it’s signed and ready in fifty years time, it will be in full sync with the Moggorian Calendar.
Meanwhile fkkuekkk business .....
 

Bomber_Harris

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Location
London
according to the Guardian's EU sources there's a fair chance the EU will only agree to a long Article 50 extension until 2021, should an extension be requested by UK Govt.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...layed-until-2021-eu-sources-reveal?CMP=twt_gu

the Newsnight video and the video posted by @Cowabunga , as well as the independent analysis by @AndrewM, all predicted 2020 as the year when, all things being equal, enough Leave-voting seniors will have passed away and enough Remain-supporting youngsters will reach voting age for the 'will of the people' to have changed.

extending Article 50 to 2021 will put us well into a Remain majority

It will be a very interesting next few weeks

brace, brace. :D
 

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