Open fire in a barn with straw.

[Surgery]

Long story short , farm split many years ago meaning a split shed on one holding with a relation.

our part of the barn contains 200-250 ton of hay-straw.

relations part pretty much empty , had a bit of corn in straight after harvest.

relations daughter has advertised in the top of their part a meeting point during COVID for 6 , a big part of her pull for punters is an open fire in an old wheel rim , a wood burning stove and a bbq plus music.

this site would be 30m from our straw etc in the same shed.

as we have had a massive barn fire in said shed 10plus years ago I politely asked her to stop all naked flames on her part of the shed asking if she would swap the naked flames for a patio heater to which she wasn’t to happy about , I have since asked her to provide evidence that their-her insurance covers them for the very small chance of another big barn fire caused by their flames-ashes in a barn etc to which she hasn’t.

Short of telling her to stop what else can I do , more worried the closer we get to Xmas etc the more events will happen etc , a few beers throw another log on etc and up she goes.

thanks.

 

[Hard Graft]

as her in writing with a recorded letter

 

[Lofty1984]

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen

 

[PSQ]

The 50 drunk punters throwing glass bottles and fag ends around, and looking for a quiet corner to cop off in, will be the issue.
And thats before a particularly innocent looking booking turns out to be a rave for 500.
If said relation hasn't already seen that this idea breaks all respect for you and your business, then they'll ultimately need a court order to kick the idea into touch.

Alternatively, say through your solicitor that you'll grudgingly let it go ahead, as long as they gift their half of the yard to you in the event of the fire brigade being called out, and see how cock sure they now feel.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Just call the Police if/when it happens

In a barn, isn’t legal to meet indoors in T2 or T3

 

[Surgery]

Just call the Police if/when it happens

In a barn, isn’t legal to meet indoors in T2 or T3

Would a barn be called indoors or out?

 

[Lofty1984]

Surely if it’s roofed it’s indoors?

 

[Lofty1984]

Is it a stand alone shed or on your yard with other sheds, machinery, workshop around id be worried of having another late night visit or guests straying where they shouldn’t

 

[Dry Rot]

The 50 drunk punters throwing glass bottles and fag ends around, and looking for a quiet corner to cop off in, will be the issue.
And thats before a particularly innocent looking booking turns out to be a rave for 500.
If said relation hasn't already seen that this idea breaks all respect for you and your business, then they'll ultimately need a court order to kick the idea into touch.

Alternatively, say through your solicitor that you'll grudgingly let it go ahead, as long as they gift their half of the yard to you in the event of the fire brigade being called out, and see how cock sure they now feel.

This^^ , but without the permission, grudging or not. In fact, the opposite. Is it possible to insure against a predicable event? Ask for the name of her insurers anyway as it reinforces the point. If there is a fire, my solicitor would say your problem is to prove her guests caused it but the civil courts only need to weigh up the balance of probabilities -- and you've the copy of the recorded letter, haven't you? A few beers and some frolicking in the straw, then lie back for a quiet smoke? Doesn't sound an unlikely sequence, does it?

 

[goodevans]

Is the building split with panels etc between ownership or is the straw accessible from your relations end,if partitioned off I'm not sure you would have much call on what she can or cant do,it would be a bit like telling someone in a semi detached house who or what they can do

 

[Badshot]

A barn would be indoors, and it wouldn't be any different to a social club or similar, which are shut due to covid.

 

[Surgery]

This^^ , but without the permission, grudging or not. In fact, the opposite. Is it possible to insure against a predicable event? Ask for the name of her insurers anyway as it reinforces the point. If there is a fire, my solicitor would say your problem is to prove her guests caused it but the civil courts only need to weigh up the balance of probabilities -- and you've the copy of the recorded letter, haven't you? A few beers and some frolicking in the straw, then lie back for a quiet smoke? Doesn't sound an unlikely sequence, does it?

No it doesn’t.

will phone her this morning and will ask her to stop it , if not an email will be sent to her pointing it out , failing a quick response a recorded letter.

 

[Surgery]

Is the building split with panels etc between ownership or is the straw accessible from your relations end,if partitioned off I'm not sure you would have much call on what she can or cant do,it would be a bit like telling someone in a semi detached house who or what they can do

Open sided shed all the way to our straw , same building spilt ownership from a partnership split.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Would a barn be called indoors or out?

Barns have roofs

Indoors/covered

Call it what you like

T2/T3 no indoors mixing

Not hard to interpret the rules is it

Anything with a roof is indoors - smithy/cartshed/log store/parlour/granary/grain store/spud store/ livestock shed etc

 

[Johnnyboxer]

A barn would be indoors, and it wouldn't be any different to a social club or similar, which are shut due to covid.

Bingo

We have someone who understands the rules [emoji736]

 

[goodevans]

Open sided shed all the way to our straw , same building spilt ownership from a partnership split.

Now I understand your problem☹,get the straw sold !

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Open sided shed all the way to our straw , same building spilt ownership from a partnership split.

Got a roof on, so no mixing indoors

 

[PSQ]

will phone her this morning and will ask her to stop it , if not an email will be sent to her pointing it out , failing a quick response a recorded letter.

I'd imagine that her dad will be more than happy for you to put your foot down, as he's probably said "NO, dont be so bloody stupid!", but it's fallen on deaf ears. The joys of parenting...

 

[masseybreaker]

dont call her text or email then you have proof of what was said when it all goes wrong. i dont know but could you get a £10 k fine for the party ?

 

[Surgery]

I'd imagine that her dad will be more than happy for you to put your foot down, as he's probably said "NO, dont be so bloody stupid!", but it's fallen on deaf ears. The joys of parenting...

Spot on !