OSR after spring barley

[Banana Bar]

How do you all establish OSR after spring barley. Ground is always tighter and drier after barley than wheat but to implement the rotation I think will work best here I would need to do this. Father says it won't work and to be fair I decided not to drill 50 ha this year post spring barley.

BB

 

[Clive]

We put about 50ha in after spring barley this year - Direct with the Horsch Co low disturbance conversion with a bit of N placed under it

Straw was removed

It looks good today despite a contractor spreading muck and slurry on it on a very wet day when it was just emerging when they went to the wrong field ! - amazingly recovered

 

[yellow belly]

this year we were too late harvesting to plant winter rape apart from 1 field which we harvested and dried

so planting spring rape oats and linseed

In the past notilled and autocast winter rape

spring barley leaves less slugs than wheat or winter barley

 

[Brisel]

Currently Claydon DD into baled stubble with the leading tine 6" deep
Previously Topdown with seed broadcaster on the back direct into baled stubble
Next year - some broadcast into the standing crop then cut high with the chopper engaged. The rest will be Claydon drilled into chopped straw with the leading tine removed and a leading disc instead. Probably a 3" share instead of the usual 7" A share.

Chopped spring barley straw is a bitch to do anything with - We couldn't even plough in some 3 years ago. If you're going to do this then fit a new set of chopper blades just before you start & stop cutting if it gets damp or green or it won't chop at all. This was barely ripe but cut on a hot dry afternoon.

What establishment method were you thinking of @Banana Bar ? DD?

 

[Banana Bar]

We've got a Dale drill which I've drilled 350 ha of OSR with this year. On the whole very pleased apart from a few headlands and combine wheelings. We used to run a subsoiler with seeder unit down to claydon type coulters and I think this may be my best bet in this position, unfortunately it's 3 m wide with 7 legs and needs 300 hp to get on. Ideally want to drill 400 ha of OSR next year in a week. Would need a very low disturbance subsoiling leg now to replace the solo type. Any ideas on this?

BB

 

[Devon James]

Whip over with a light cultivation, carrier, supermaxx, before the drill to get some more tilth?

 

[Brisel]

What resources do you have to get that area done in a week? How wide is the Dale? Just a thought - do the headlands with the subsoiler & Dale the land work or just lift the compacted bits then Dale the lot. Does your subsoiler have a good packer on the back to leave a half decent finish?

Don't worry about the combine wheelings - the canopy will soon close over those in March.

Leg design - Cousins Micro Wing?

Simba LD

How about creating your own Claydon style leading leg?

 

[Andrew K]

We've got a Dale drill which I've drilled 350 ha of OSR with this year. On the whole very pleased apart from a few headlands and combine wheelings. We used to run a subsoiler with seeder unit down to claydon type coulters and I think this may be my best bet in this position, unfortunately it's 3 m wide with 7 legs and needs 300 hp to get on. Ideally want to drill 400 ha of OSR next year in a week. Would need a very low disturbance subsoiling leg now to replace the solo type. Any ideas on this?

BB

I would hire a 6m Hybrid Claydon if you want to drill 50 ha plus per day. Either that or fit Cousins type feet to your existing subsoiler and work it 24hrs a day?

 

[Against_the_grain]

We've got a Dale drill which I've drilled 350 ha of OSR with this year.

BB

The dale drill is ideal for drilling oilseed rape imo

 

[moretimeforgolf]

Osr goes in after spring barley in our rotation. No demand for the straw around here so it gets chopped. We direct drill with our JD750a, best results achieved using our homemade row sweepers. I think a pass straight behind the combine with a carrier would help negate hairpinning ...but, in a dry autumn such as 2016 you would lose moisture.

 

[warksfarmer]

How do you all establish OSR after spring barley. Ground is always tighter and drier after barley than wheat but to implement the rotation I think will work best here I would need to do this. Father says it won't work and to be fair I decided not to drill 50 ha this year post spring barley.

BB

Ours has been hit and miss direct with a sabre tine no till drill in spring barley stubble straw removed. We are at a loss why though.

In a small part where we had to move some tramlines we shakerated and power harrowed the old tramlines out and the osr came really well.

Same drill, same seed rate, same seed, same operator, same day with the only difference being soil movement.

 

[Clive]

Ours has been hit and miss direct with a sabre tine no till drill in spring barley stubble straw removed. We are at a loss why though.

In a small part where we had to move some tramlines we shakerated and power harrowed the old tramlines out and the osr came really well.

Same drill, same seed rate, same seed, same operator, same day with the only difference being soil movement.

Nitrogen is my guess - where you cultivated you have mineralised some

Zerotill OSR needs N under it to be consistent I have learnt

 

[Clive]

We've got a Dale drill which I've drilled 350 ha of OSR with this year. On the whole very pleased apart from a few headlands and combine wheelings. We used to run a subsoiler with seeder unit down to claydon type coulters and I think this may be my best bet in this position, unfortunately it's 3 m wide with 7 legs and needs 300 hp to get on. Ideally want to drill 400 ha of OSR next year in a week. Would need a very low disturbance subsoiling leg now to replace the solo type. Any ideas on this?

BB

Why subsoil ? The Dale is a very good drill for OSR the year we ran one is the only time we have ever averaged 5t. Was a 9m machine on a j160hp JD and could easy put 150ac a day in

Needs N under it though

 

[Wheatonrotty]

Ours is all after spring barley and most of it has been for the last few years. Straight in with a co6 with Metcalfe points (used to go with duets). Not set up for fert on the drill but has some DAP spread on just after drilling. Last year some went in after wheat and the ground was drier than after the barley. All the straw is chopped.

 

[warksfarmer]

Nitrogen is my guess - where you cultivated you have mineralised some

Zerotill OSR needs N under it to be consistent I have learnt

If we grow it again then I think we’ll spread some compost in front of the sabre tine and utilise the little bit of n in the compost instead of going to the expense of setting up for liquid down the spout which I’m not keen on doing.

 

[Tractor Boy]

Osr goes in after spring barley in our rotation. No demand for the straw around here so it gets chopped. We direct drill with our JD750a, best results achieved using our homemade row sweepers. I think a pass straight behind the combine with a carrier would help negate hairpinning ...but, in a dry autumn such as 2016 you would lose moisture.

What do your homemade sweepers look like? Are you getting a set of the aricks ones from the marketplace order?

 

[moretimeforgolf]

What do your homemade sweepers look like? Are you getting a set of the aricks ones from the marketplace order?

Can’t justify the spend for our 40ha of osr. The homemade job is an old spring tine on an adjustable bracket - set up to just skim the ground and hence leave a cleanish line to run the disc in. We only drill osr with the back gang, and the tines are lined up with those coulters. Half are mounted on the front gang to allow the straw to flow through.

 

[Feldspar]

Currently Claydon DD into baled stubble with the leading tine 6" deep
Previously Topdown with seed broadcaster on the back direct into baled stubble
Next year - some broadcast into the standing crop then cut high with the chopper engaged. The rest will be Claydon drilled into chopped straw with the leading tine removed and a leading disc instead. Probably a 3" share instead of the usual 7" A share.

Chopped spring barley straw is a bitch to do anything with - We couldn't even plough in some 3 years ago. If you're going to do this then fit a new set of chopper blades just before you start & stop cutting if it gets damp or green or it won't chop at all. This was barely ripe but cut on a hot dry afternoon.
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What establishment method were you thinking of @Banana Bar ? DD?

Why the change to a leading disc and narrower share? I think the leading tine works really nicely as a row cleaner. Would the disc do that?

 

[Brisel]

Why the change to a leading disc and narrower share? I think the leading tine works really nicely as a row cleaner. Would the disc do that?

The disc would slice through the chopped straw that would build up under the frame if the leading tine is fitted instead. I'm done with drilling direct into chopped spring barley straw!

 

[Feldspar]

The disc would slice through the chopped straw that would build up under the frame if the leading tine is fitted instead. I'm done with drilling direct into chopped spring barley straw!

Are you confident it would actually slice through? The stuff is so ropey that when we run over with the 750a discs it does struggle to cut through it.