Outlander PHEV or merc 350e

[Robt]

Just reading up and it looks in 2020/21 the government will (if they have solved brexit by then!) be lowering BIK to between 2 and 14% for cars with less than 50g/km . It’s currently 16%. So it’s good news!

So I’ve had the Mitsubishi PHEV for 48hrs....
likes:
24 mile electric only range
38mpg on 130 mile trip with normal driving
Apple car play
LED headlights

Faults :
It’s noises,
It’s slow
It’s brakes seem poor.
In B5 ( most re gen of brakes for power, every time you lift off throttle the brake lights come on!)
Jus a bit dull

So as soon as new merc PHEV petrol and PHEV diesel are launched in summer I’ll try those

 

[Wombat]

I think the PHEV has a range under 30miles so will be 14%

I have a lease quote in for one as pretty much any other small suv is now in the 30%+ range. Problem for me is if you have the PHEV you cannot have the 7 seats but will see where the quote is or whether I just chuck a load of tax and get what I want

 

[H200GT]

I think the PHEV has a range under 30miles so will be 14%

I have a lease quote in for one as pretty much any other small suv is now in the 30%+ range. Problem for me is if you have the PHEV you cannot have the 7 seats but will see where the quote is or whether I just chuck a load of tax and get what I want

Just reading up and it looks in 2020/21 the government will (if they have solved brexit by then!) be lowering BIK to between 2 and 14% for cars with less than 50g/km . It’s currently 16%. So it’s good news!

So I’ve had the Mitsubishi PHEV for 48hrs....
likes:
24 mile electric only range
38mpg on 130 mile trip with normal driving
Apple car play
LED headlights

Faults :
It’s noises,
It’s slow
It’s brakes seem poor.
In B5 ( most re gen of brakes for power, every time you lift off throttle the brake lights come on!)
Jus a bit dull

So as soon as new merc PHEV petrol and PHEV diesel are launched in summer I’ll try those

I know a couple people who run PHEV outlanders, and like yourself, they are a little underwhelmed with them.

Fuel economy is no better than a decent modern oil burner, and I fail to see the attraction in these so called hybrids. They really need to / should be returning 50mpg plus imo to tempt people like me over.

 

[Cowabunga]

It really is worth having a look at the Honda. It drives almost exclusively by electric motor and has a simple single ratio gearbox beteen engine and generator. 45 to 55 mpg should be consistently achievable. It has great writeups. Not sure whether its at dealers yet, but it is imminent.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Putting a small petrol engine in a vehicle of the size and mass of an SUV is never going to work no matter how much hybrid wizardry is involved.

 

[Cowabunga]

Putting a small petrol engine in a vehicle of the size and mass of an SUV is never going to work no matter how much hybrid wizardry is involved.

The Honda hybrid has a two litre Atkinson cycle engine. Why shouldn’t it work well? By all accounts it does. Drive is mainly directly by a 180hp electric motor with direct IC engine drive at motorway speed.

Land Rover will soon launch several hybrids with turbocharged three cylinder petrol engines which I’m sure will exceed expectations.

 

[H200GT]

I really don’t understand why diesel has fallen so much out of favour. All 3 of our vehicles are diesel, all return good MPG, easy to service, and been almost no trouble despite the oldest being 10 years old and ver 150k.

The most modern will be euro 5 with add blue and DPF, and I assume no more polluting than an equivalent petrol, so a diesel to me is a no brainer over petrol and hybrid.

Its not that I am a dinosaur in my thinking, I would love an all electric car as in theroy it ticks all the boxes. But for me, and I assume for many others, they must as a minimum be capable of a 300 mile range, as the thought of having to park up whilst is charges is what really puts me off.

I think the future will be electric. My vision is of battery cars with 150 - 200 mile ranges, but with the capability of wirelessly charging as it drives over specially developed wireless charging roads that will be built in more populated areas / major traffic routes. Now that would be progress, and would get me straight out of the oil burners.

 

[Cowabunga]

I really don’t understand why diesel has fallen so much out of favour. All 3 of our vehicles are diesel, all return good MPG, easy to service, and been almost no trouble despite the oldest being 10 years old and ver 150k.

The most modern will be euro 5 with add blue and DPF, and I assume no more polluting than an equivalent petrol, so a diesel to me is a no brainer over petrol and hybrid.

Its not that I am a dinosaur in my thinking, I would love an all electric car as in theroy it ticks all the boxes. But for me, and I assume for many others, they must as a minimum be capable of a 300 mile range, as the thought of having to park up whilst is charges is what really puts me off.

I think the future will be electric. My vision is of battery cars with 150 - 200 mile ranges, but with the capability of wirelessly charging as it drives over specially developed wireless charging roads that will be built in more populated areas / major traffic routes. Now that would be progress, and would get me straight out of the oil burners.

There is nothing stopping combinations of hybrid with diesel of course. Volvo XC90 will only be available to order, from tomorrow, in diesel form with the mild hybrid system. This should yield an useful 15% economy improvement over diesel-only models. Mine averages 38mpg so the hybrid should manage near 44mpg. That’s not to be sniffed at from a large powerful and heavy, seven seat 4wd SUV.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

It really is worth having a look at the Honda. It drives almost exclusively by electric motor and has a simple single ratio gearbox beteen engine and generator. 45 to 55 mpg should be consistently achievable. It has great writeups. Not sure whether its at dealers yet, but it is imminent.

I think it is there and has been for a few months now
2 people I know have traded their CRV in for the petrol hybrid CRV variety

 

[Michael S]

I really don’t understand why diesel has fallen so much out of favour. All 3 of our vehicles are diesel, all return good MPG, easy to service, and been almost no trouble despite the oldest being 10 years old and ver 150k.

The most modern will be euro 5 with add blue and DPF, and I assume no more polluting than an equivalent petrol, so a diesel to me is a no brainer over petrol and hybrid.

Its not that I am a dinosaur in my thinking, I would love an all electric car as in theroy it ticks all the boxes. But for me, and I assume for many others, they must as a minimum be capable of a 300 mile range, as the thought of having to park up whilst is charges is what really puts me off.

I think the future will be electric. My vision is of battery cars with 150 - 200 mile ranges, but with the capability of wirelessly charging as it drives over specially developed wireless charging roads that will be built in more populated areas / major traffic routes. Now that would be progress, and would get me straight out of the oil burners.

I wouldn't disagree with what you say, however the OP is looking for a company car where you get taxed on a formula based on the CO2 emissions and the purchase price. For a number of years diesels have attracted 3% surcharge over petrols, so a hybrid petrol with emissions equivalent to a diesel is a more attractive proposition to a company car user. I have heard anecdotes of company car users having PHEVs with the charging lead still laying unused in the boot. As commercial vehicles pickups get taxed at a flat rate lower than most company cars, hence why so many reps are seen in them these days. If your business is a legal entity other than a company these rules don't apply as far as I'm aware.

 

[Finn farmer]

Out of topic, but i'm going to swap my C220 diesel Mercedes for the brand new Toyota Corolla Touring Sports Hybrid.

 

[Beowulf]

Putting a small petrol engine in a vehicle of the size and mass of an SUV is never going to work no matter how much hybrid wizardry is involved.

Indeed. I took our XC90 hybrid to Birmingham and back from Scotland with three big burly farmers in it and managed a less than respectable 19 mpg.

It was great for nipping around town or the odd medium distance journey, but once it ran out of juice the tiny little engine was exposed for the underpowered unit it was.

Admittedly I'm not shy of hoofing the loud pedal when the mood takes me, but I expected better of a decent motorway jaunt if I'm honest.

 

[Robt]

Mr Duck, the CRV has a higher BIK than its rivals. Its also quite expensive.
I think, i may be wrong but the new c class 300de is a PHEV diesel which will be good

 

[Cowabunga]

Indeed. I took our XC90 hybrid to Birmingham and back from Scotland with three big burly farmers in it and managed a less than respectable 19 mpg.

It was great for nipping around town or the odd medium distance journey, but once it ran out of juice the tiny little engine was exposed for the underpowered unit it was.

Admittedly I'm not shy of hoofing the loud pedal when the mood takes me, but I expected better of a decent motorway jaunt if I'm honest.

This is not because the engine is tiny, it’s because it is actually a 320hp turbo plus supercharged power-demon which is combined with the rear electric engine to give 380hp. What the heck do you expect if you hoof it in a 2.25 ton petrol 380hp petrol SUV?
Once you run out of plug-in charge, after about 20 miles, this is no different to any other 380hp petrol thing. The number of cylinders and swept volume is irrelevant. It’s the power output, performance, mass and the way you drive it that consumes fuel. Other drivers of this T8 model usually achieve around 25mpg long distance, which is OK considering the size and weight of it.

Where the T8 PHEV comes into its own is for short and town drives where it has the potential for infinite mpg being driven on pure electric. The advantage over pure electric is that it can be used long distance with no range anxiety, although until recently the reduced volume fuel tank was an issue.

 

[Cowabunga]

Mr Duck, the CRV has a higher BIK than its rivals. Its also quite expensive.
I think, i may be wrong but the new c class 300de is a PHEV diesel which will be good

There are more and more alternatives launched or announced on almost a weekly basis. The BIK and purchase price relative to what you get is always a compromise that needs to be decided by the individual prospective owner/driver

 

[Beowulf]

This is not because the engine is tiny, it’s because it is actually a 320hp turbo plus supercharged power-demon which is combined with the rear electric engine to give 380hp. What the heck do you expect if you hoof it in a 2.25 ton petrol 380hp petrol SUV?
Once you run out of plug-in charge, after about 20 miles, this is no different to any other 380hp petrol thing. The number of cylinders and swept volume is irrelevant. It’s the power output, performance, mass and the way you drive it that consumes fuel. Other drivers of this T8 model usually achieve around 25mpg long distance, which is OK considering the size and weight of it.

Where the T8 PHEV comes into its own is for short and town drives where it has the potential for infinite mpg being driven on pure electric. The advantage over pure electric is that it can be used long distance with no range anxiety, although until recently the reduced volume fuel tank was an issue.

Oh I get what you're saying, and understand it emphatically.

However, the 3.8 litre 530hp twin-turbo V8 Maserati Quattoporte that I use as my daily driver can achieve slightly better fuel consumption with me behind the wheel, and I hoof the loud pedal a lot more in that (why wouldn't you?).

 

[Cowabunga]

Oh I get what you're saying, and understand it emphatically.

However, the 3.8 litre 530hp twin-turbo V8 Maserati Quattoporte that I use as my daily driver can achieve slightly better fuel consumption with me behind the wheel, and I hoof the loud pedal a lot more in that (why wouldn't you?).

Well the best I got from my Jaguar XK8 was 25mpg, driving like a nun. 18 from the petrol Range Rover which was considerably lighter than your Volvo.

 

[Beowulf]

Well the best I got from my Jaguar XK8 was 25mpg, driving like a nun. 18 from the petrol Range Rover which was considerably lighter than your Volvo.

To be honest all the big motors I've owned, from a petrol Disco 5 to a Ferrari FF and a few supercharged RRs in-between, have all been in the 15-20 mpg range. It's perfectly possible to get a bit more if you drive like a Saint, but why? You don't buy a car like some of those to drive in a way that optimises fuel economy.

 

[Robt]

Only on a farming forum can a thread go from economy and low BIK to two posters trying to out trump each other on their Maserati’s and jag XK8’s..... I think the Ferrari FF may our trump the jag xk8!

 

[Beowulf]

Only on a farming forum can a thread go from economy and low BIK to two posters trying to out trump each other on their Maserati’s and jag XK8’s..... I think the Ferrari FF may our trump the jag xk8!

Does it help that I've got a GTC4 Lusso V12 on order?