Payments now bps has finnished

[tr250]

Can anyone give me a brief explanation of what if any payments we might get in the next 5 years now bps has finnished I understand there is going to be some sort of historic type payment. It’s all lowland bare ground

 

[T Hectares]

The delinked payment is based on your 20,21,22 claims divided by 3 as the base figure with progressive reductions to 27

In very rough terms, your 24 claim will be 50% or less ( depending on size of farm ) than the full 20 claim, which then steps down each year to 27, nothing in 28

I’m short, it’s not much and getting less

Calculate my progressive reductions - GOV.UK

calculate-direct-payment-reductions.defra.gov.uk

 

[colhonk]

Well seeing as how the government has broken its side of the contract,,,,,does this mean that we can reduce the things we had to do to qualify? such as the 2meters of weeds we had to grow alongside hedges ect.

 

[Huno]

Can anyone give me a brief explanation of what if any payments we might get in the next 5 years now bps has finnished I understand there is going to be some sort of historic type payment. It’s all lowland bare ground

have you been in a time capsule?? answer very little

 

[tr250]

have you been in a time capsule?? answer very little

Yes

 

[jackrussell101]

Supposedly ELMS, but it looks as though it'll cost farmers more to do it than what they actually get out of it

 

[neilo]

Well seeing as how the government has broken its side of the contract,,,,,does this mean that we can reduce the things we had to do to qualify? such as the 2meters of weeds we had to grow alongside hedges ect.

Will sowing that extra 1m against the hedge increase your profit in any meaningful way?
I know it makes damn all difference here, even with small fields in the West. The difference it makes in the arable prairies out East is bugger all.

 

[Sid]

Well seeing as how the government has broken its side of the contract,,,,,does this mean that we can reduce the things we had to do to qualify? such as the 2meters of weeds we had to grow alongside hedges ect.

What it will mean is the threat of "we will deduct (enter a random number) % of your BPS if you fail to comply is going going gone.

Now it will have to be legal action, for trimming hedges, missing eartags etc.

 

[Tarw Coch]

What it will mean is the threat of "we will deduct (enter a random number) % of your BPS if you fail to comply is going going gone.

Now it will have to be legal action, for trimming hedges, missing eartags etc.

Every cloud has a silver lining

 

[Muddyroads]

What it will mean is the threat of "we will deduct (enter a random number) % of your BPS if you fail to comply is going going gone.

Now it will have to be legal action, for trimming hedges, missing eartags etc.

Given that most of us are in a CS scheme of one sort or another, I suspect deductions will come from there.

 

[Sid]

Given that most of us are in a CS scheme of one sort or another, I suspect deductions will come from there.

Is the legal framework in place for that?

Depends on the "crime"

Hedges yes, eartags no

 

[Muddyroads]

Is the legal framework in place for that?

Depends on the "crime"

Hedges yes, eartags no

Nothing that can’t be corrected with the stroke of a civil servants pen I would imagine.

 

[Sid]

Nothing that can’t be corrected with the stroke of a civil servants pen I would imagine.

Not outside of a schemes rules.

Legal challenge would be lined up two a penny.

Imagine a speeding fine being able to be taken out of state pension etc

 

[Steevo]

What it will mean is the threat of "we will deduct (enter a random number) % of your BPS if you fail to comply is going going gone.

Now it will have to be legal action, for trimming hedges, missing eartags etc.

Every cloud has a silver lining

Be careful what you wish for.

Read the Natural England thread.

 

[redsloe]

Is the legal framework in place for that?

Depends on the "crime"

Hedges yes, eartags no

I've got a RT non-conformance for missing tags in one particular group of cattle.
It will all be covered somewhere.

 

[Pan mixer]

Trading standards can do you for ear tags quite happily.

I asked the lady who came to asses us for environmental subsidies under the new schemes the same question, she said that many of the cross compliance rules were able to be enforced under the law so you could be fined in court.

I was losing the will to concentrate by then so I can't remember specifics.

What I do remember though was that if I jumped through every hoop successfully I might just make one quarter of my SFP with SFI.

 

[Sid]

Trading standards can do you for ear tags quite happily.

I asked the lady who came to asses us for environmental subsidies under the new schemes the same question, she said that many of the cross compliance rules were able to be enforced under the law so you could be fined in court.

I was losing the will to concentrate by then so I can't remember specifics.

What I do remember though was that if I jumped through every hoop successfully I might just make one quarter of my SFP with SFI.

They can but the threat of loss of cash from BPS was far easier as little or no resistance

 

[Red Fred]

I was amazed how not too long ago, a couple of farmers I was talking to both said "Oh it'll be alright, they'll replace it with another scheme, they always do" and that seemed to be the extent of their forward planning. Of course they might be so switched on, it didn't matter to them, but that wasn't the impression I have always got from them.

 

[Steevo]

I was amazed how not too long ago, a couple of farmers I was talking to both said "Oh it'll be alright, they'll replace it with another scheme, they always do" and that seemed to be the extent of their forward planning. Of course they might be so switched on, it didn't matter to them, but that wasn't the impression I have always got from them.

I'm sure they weren't alone. I think maybe it was too terrifying to think that the worst might happen and not feeling able to overcome it so the safest option was just to....

 

[Tubbylew]

I'm sure they weren't alone. I think maybe it was too terrifying to think that the worst might happen and not feeling able to overcome it so the safest option was just to....


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I'm not sure if they haven't got the right idea tbh, the loss of bps to the rural economy as a whole will be enormous, elms is almost comical in it's absurdity with seemingly little hope of a different approach. I think agriculture will probably get by ok after a time, farmers are pretty adept at making something out of nothing, it'll be the general public that'll suffer with higher food prices.