Personal plastic to fuel conversion system

[stroller]

Can't remember if I said this in a previous post, last winter I went to Tanzania, the amount of plastic waste littering the countryside is staggering, it makes our country look pristine, you could sell lots out there.
Like Spin says pics on here and a few open days on farms a cheaper way of doing it than paying for a stand at a show.

 

[renewablejohn]

Good start would be the All Energy show in Glasgow on the 10th and 11th May.

 

[2YardOfLard]

Hello everyone! We have recently been accepted to participate in the Scottish Power Iberdrola Energy Challenge. Our team is about to graduate and start focusing on making this real.

Would anyone happen to know best ways to get to speak with farmers that may benefit from this? I know there are country/farm fairs happening during May, so we will be doing UK wide traveling/meeting/talking to people before our first deadline/pitch for Iberdrola on the 22nd.

Besides that, any other good ways?

P.S we have registered our company as Micro Recycling LTD, reserved domain at microrecycling.co.uk, facebook /microrecycling and twitter @microrecycling

Contact the Lorn Island Partnership. They have Climate Challenge Fund support to organise recycling in the remote farming communities we were talking about above.
Have PMed you with contact details.

 

[joe soapy]

Watching the videos it looks like needing a container with a heat source, heating the plastic to 400 degrees , venting the gas through a condensor and collecting the
liqued.
No real pressure involved, so would a 40 gallon oil drum with a removable lid do?. Use the resultant oil as a fuel source to run the process

 

[neilo]

Hello everyone! We have recently been accepted to participate in the Scottish Power Iberdrola Energy Challenge. Our team is about to graduate and start focusing on making this real.

Would anyone happen to know best ways to get to speak with farmers that may benefit from this? I know there are country/farm fairs happening during May, so we will be doing UK wide traveling/meeting/talking to people before our first deadline/pitch for Iberdrola on the 22nd.

Besides that, any other good ways?

P.S we have registered our company as Micro Recycling LTD, reserved domain at microrecycling.co.uk, facebook /microrecycling and twitter @microrecycling

Perhaps send a flier round with local mart's mailings? Or round robin email through any local machinery rings or buying groups in the areas you're looking at for contacts?

 

[onesiedale]

Grassland farmers are big users of plastic both fert bags and silage plastic. Perhaps Link up with the British Grassland Society to open up a good line of communication with farms. They may even help with putting you in touch with good demonstration farms

 

[Clever Dic]

Green Prometheus I could be seriously interested we at present send for recycling into Stokboard / furniture at centiforce about 60-80 tons a year it is all either LDPE or stretch film. It is all pretty clean as centriforce won't take dirty plastic and they pay us £150 a ton for the mill sized bales.
What sort of system would we use and how much fuel from this type of plastic.?
Or at my £150 a ton is it best as furniture. ?

 

[Green Prometheus]

Can't remember if I said this in a previous post, last winter I went to Tanzania, the amount of plastic waste littering the countryside is staggering, it makes our country look pristine, you could sell lots out there.
Like Spin says pics on here and a few open days on farms a cheaper way of doing it than paying for a stand at a show.

Yes, my original idea was based on creating system for people Lagos who could use this to clean up the plastic and start their own business selling the diesel. Sadly, starting international is much harder than nation wide, so it will have to wait for now. Plus the system will have to be modified to be simple and cheap, which is not what the first product will be

 

[Green Prometheus]

Good start would be the All Energy show in Glasgow on the 10th and 11th May.

We will be attending it to make connections and learn more. The moment we got prototype working - traded shows and farm shows etc.

 

[Green Prometheus]

Green Prometheus I could be seriously interested we at present send for recycling into Stokboard / furniture at centiforce about 60-80 tons a year it is all either LDPE or stretch film. It is all pretty clean as centriforce won't take dirty plastic and they pay us £150 a ton for the mill sized bales.
What sort of system would we use and how much fuel from this type of plastic.?
Or at my £150 a ton is it best as furniture. ?

That's a huge amount of plastic! For LDPE it would be ~(75% -90%) conversion to liquid fuel. So you could roughly think as 1 ton -750 l of diesel.

 

[phillipe]

That's a huge amount of plastic! For LDPE it would be ~75% conversion to liquid fuel. So you could roughly think as 1 ton -750 l of diesel.

wow

 

[caveman]

How much and what residue is left after distilling?

 

[Green Prometheus]

How much and what residue is left after distilling?

Depends on contamination. But in the case of a perfectly clean LDPE there would be around 10% gas (which can be reused to power the system) and ~15% wax (can be used to power the system or as heating fuel or even further processed to return more light oils like diesel)

 

[trook135]

This all looks very promising indeed, we produce a fair lump of fertiliser bags and spray cans a year, would this be a suitable system? Also couldn't find your Facebook page?

 

[Ukjay]

I am sitting here reading this and I cannot understand why we are advocating following this method for materials that are fully recyclable back into new products.
For me it is madness, as we still require said products - so we are happily relying more on the oil refineries to produce more virgin materials whilst we advocate everyone distill what is a product we need to help reduce this need and more over prices to the end users?

We constantly see costs of goods rising due to in part of force majeur practices impacting virgin resins in a bid that some say is to maintain higher prices, so we are now going to add a further burden to what we buy, which is why I am struggling to grasp this

 

[Green Prometheus]

This all looks very promising indeed, we produce a fair lump of fertiliser bags and spray cans a year, would this be a suitable system? Also couldn't find your Facebook page?

Yes, if the recycled material is thermoplastic, which is most products.

Oh, our Facebook and website are there only in name. We haven't had the time to actually put content on them yet.

 

[JJT]

I am sitting here reading this and I cannot understand why we are advocating following this method for materials that are fully recyclable back into new products.
For me it is madness, as we still require said products - so we are happily relying more on the oil refineries to produce more virgin materials whilst we advocate everyone distill what is a product we need to help reduce this need and more over prices to the end users?

We constantly see costs of goods rising due to in part of force majeur practices impacting virgin resins in a bid that some say is to maintain higher prices, so we are now going to add a further burden to what we buy, which is why I am struggling to grasp this

Its all about economics. It costs to have plastic taken away to be recycled. Just depends how much this system costs to set up.

 

[Green Prometheus]

I am sitting here reading this and I cannot understand why we are advocating following this method for materials that are fully recyclable back into new products.
For me it is madness, as we still require said products - so we are happily relying more on the oil refineries to produce more virgin materials whilst we advocate everyone distill what is a product we need to help reduce this need and more over prices to the end users?

We constantly see costs of goods rising due to in part of force majeur practices impacting virgin resins in a bid that some say is to maintain higher prices, so we are now going to add a further burden to what we buy, which is why I am struggling to grasp this

First of all plastic can not be cycled indefinitely as it degrades and looses it's qualities everytime it is done. So you will end up bad quality plastic that would just collect in dumping sites.

Recycling into new materials can be costly, making recycled materials unprofitable to sell, which forces government to subsidies the activities or forces private companies to charge people more. If say a farmer recycled his materials on the spot, he would eliminate all the cost associated with moving the plastic as well as all the profit margins that different business charge. (collector to recyclers to manufacturers to customers).

This will not replace traditional recycling system, only supplement it where it is badly needed. So you will not run out of plastic sheds.

This will profit the farmer who uses it instead of loosing him money for recycling.

 

[Green Prometheus]

Its all about economics. It costs to have plastic taken away to be recycled. Just depends how much this system costs to set up.

Indeed. If you could magically get this working today, how much would you be willing to pay for it?

 

[Ukjay]

Its all about economics. It costs to have plastic taken away to be recycled. Just depends how much this system costs to set up.

Some recycling companies will remove for free as long as you have it clean?