Pin and cone headstock

[rns502]

What are the measurements for attachments in this headstock in Matbro?

What is the factory distance in attachment from locking pin hole to the surface that touches the headstock pallet fork holders?

I have albutt bucket that fits perfectly but now I bought pallet forks and bale handler locally. They won't lock, cones do work but attachment stays about 1 cm too far that locking pins would work.
If I have to modify, easiest would be cut out headstock cones and move them 1cm forward but this will be bucket loose. Otherwise need to cut open both attachment and move cone holes the same distance.
Is there some difference between Manitou/Matbro versions?
Cut and weld or do I have chance to complain those measurements?

 

[Will 1594]

Pictures ? Are the attachments you have bought new ?

 

[buakaw cvx]

you say moving the cones forward would solve it, would shaving a centimetre from the face of the bracket have the same effect? hoping I'm imagining it correctly haha

 

[rns502]

Pictures ? Are the attachments you have bought new ?

Yes, new. I'll try to take pics, they'll tell more

... would shaving a centimetre from the face of the bracket have the same effect?...

When attachment is in cones and looking it from side, the headstock and brackets are not parellel vertically.
Bracket structure, I think, may be weakened too much if cutting metal off that facing surface.

I am just trying to figure whether that headstock is with wrong measures, repaired in the past, or these new ones are off the measures. As pin and cone type is brand new for that company I bought.

 

[ACEngineering]

If you albutt bucket fits perfectly then that will not be wrong so neither will your headstock. It will be your new attachment so send it back.

 

[rns502]

If you albutt bucket fits perfectly then that will not be wrong so neither will your headstock. It will be your new attachment so send it back.

Maybe that's right thing to do, just I want to be sure before complaining.
Is the Manitou version exact same, as they are more common here to my knowledge?

 

[ACEngineering]

Maybe that's right thing to do, just I want to be sure before complaining.
Is the Manitou version exact same, as they are more common here to my knowledge?

They should all fit the same regardless of who made the headstock.

 

[Pan mixer]

Maybe that's right thing to do, just I want to be sure before complaining.
Is the Manitou version exact same, as they are more common here to my knowledge?

I have two Manitous with pin and cone, neither headstock was made by Manitou, or indeed by the same company as each other

I used to have a Matbro, it fitted everyone of my 20 or so attachments.

Now one Manitou fits some but not others, it is the one with the complete cone on top, headstock made by a nationally reputable company

The second Manitou now fits everything, a small amount of die-grinding in one or two implements made that happen, this one has the cone more like a cylinder with the front top corner cut off, it works much better than the old cone for attaching or detaching implements.

 

[rns502]

Some pictures finally. Bracket's cone distance from the face is about 11cm and pin 9cm.
Can somebody give these measurement from new or not worn at all brackets?

To me Albutt bucket looks not worn??? But in that case my headstock may have repaired then to fit worn brackets???

 

[tr250]

We have both manitou and matbro and they both fit. Get it sent back asap

 

[ACEngineering]

Some pictures finally. Bracket's cone distance from the face is about 11cm and pin 9cm.
Can somebody give these measurement from new or not worn at all brackets?

To me Albutt bucket looks not worn??? But in that case my headstock may have repaired then to fit worn brackets???

Is the weld on the inside of the new bracket stopping the headstock from butting up to the bracket?
Its your new brackets that are wrong not machine.

 

[Dman2]

Is the hole big enough in the top
New brackets I bought had @80mm hole to fit over cone.
They are only 75mm

 

[ACEngineering]

The back plate of headstock should be touching the brackets so all the pushing is directly on the face of the headstock not on the pins or cones.

It really shouldnt be that difficult to see where the problem is.

 

[rns502]

Is the weld on the inside of the new bracket stopping the headstock from butting up to the bracket?
Its your new brackets that are wrong not machine.

The bracket touches headstock well top, but not bottom of the bracket. I did not look I doubt welding is on the way as it is higher than that headstock plate.

Is the hole big enough in the top
New brackets I bought had @80mm hole to fit over cone.
They are only 75mm

Thanks for that 80mm as a hard evidence. I did not really measure that diameter and in the picture distance may seem different from camera angle. I will measure it. I guess 5mm more in the cone hole would do the trick to let pins lock.

 

[Dman2]

Will check tomorrow but think they are actually 82mm

 

[ACEngineering]

The bracket touches headstock well top, but not bottom of the bracket. I did not look I doubt welding is on the way as it is higher than that headstock plate.

Thanks for that 80mm as a hard evidence. I did not really measure that diameter and in the picture distance may seem different from camera angle. I will measure it. I guess 5mm more in the cone hole would do the trick to let pins lock.

Well looks like its touching top and bottom so hole for locking pin is in wrong place I would say.

Edit just zoomed in on pic maybe its not touching at bottom quite.

 

[Will Blackburn]

The top holes are too far forward stopping the bottom ones offering up. Send the brackets back.

 

[rns502]

Will check tomorrow but think they are actually 82mm

I measured new brackets 77-78mm in different angles.
Bigger hole means it is easier to unattach the tool.
New brackets distance horizontally from pin to pin hole is 118cm.
Albutt bucket has 120cm, so the welding inside can disturb too.

The top holes are too far forward stopping the bottom ones offering up. Send the brackets back.

Yes they are. I bought two new attachments with these brackets.
I contacted manufacturer, let's see, they didn't immediately promise fix anything.
They said they have sold in 2016 more than 20 of these brackets and I'm 1st one to complain. They told all other brackets went for Manitous and JCBs ??? I gave those measurements. After a while they contacted me as they had rechecked them, they said measurements as correct as their standards, so it's not their problem that brackets don't fit.
I took them local workshop today which alters them for my needs in my cost.
Thanks for help

 

[deere150]

I had similar problem with some sanderson brackets that came with my spreadabale. It was just the one, apparently they can be made wrong. Got it changed eventually.