Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[JohnD]

just plucked this out am i right in assuming that certain renovations are allowed ?



(i)the development under Class Q(b) would consist of building operations other than—

(i)the installation or replacement of—

(aa)windows, doors, roofs, or exterior walls, or

(bb)water, drainage, electricity, gas or other services,

to the extent reasonably necessary for the building to function as a dwellinghouse; and

(ii)partial demolition to the extent reasonably necessary to carry out building operations allowed by paragraph Q.1(i)(i);

 

[George from SJM Planning]

just plucked this out am i right in assuming that certain renovations are allowed ?



(i)the development under Class Q(b) would consist of building operations other than—

(i)the installation or replacement of—

(aa)windows, doors, roofs, or exterior walls, or

(bb)water, drainage, electricity, gas or other services,

to the extent reasonably necessary for the building to function as a dwellinghouse; and

(ii)partial demolition to the extent reasonably necessary to carry out building operations allowed by paragraph Q.1(i)(i);

So you can do all of those items but nothing else. Is that what you are asking?

 

[JohnD]

Just trying to establish if general repairs are permissible as listed above windows, doors rebuilding of external walls and roof repairs

I think I have read it correctly?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Just trying to establish if general repairs are permissible as listed above windows, doors rebuilding of external walls and roof repairs

I think I have read it correctly?

In my opinion you can make general repairs to the building prior to applying for class q providing they don't change to overall form and appearance as this would fall under Part 6 of the GPDO which relates to agricultural buildings. This would however limit the repairs to works that could be justified as "being reasonably necessary for agriculture".
So if you need to repair a wall it would not be acceptable to replace a single skin block wall with a structural full fill cavity one.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

In my opinion you can make general repairs to the building prior to applying for class q providing they don't change to overall form and appearance as this would fall under Part 6 of the GPDO which relates to agricultural buildings. This would however limit the repairs to works that could be justified as "being reasonably necessary for agriculture".
So if you need to repair a wall it would not be acceptable to replace a single skin block wall with a structural full fill cavity one.

What I am trying to say (badly) is the repair of an agricultural building comes under a different section of the legislation to the change of use.

 

[JohnD]

I would look to do all work when /if the application is successful some exterior walls would require rebuilding but are still standing.
I will post a picture tomorrow it will give you a better idea of what I am rambling about.

 

[JohnD]

 

[George from SJM Planning]

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That looks like a good sturdy building, all I would suggest is if any more of the roof looks like that bit is to get it repaired before submitting the application for Class Q.

I would encourage you to get a structural survey done before submitting too, and if it highlights any concerns then rectify them before submission and then get the report updated. You can't do structural work as part of the application to convert.

 

[Still Farming]

That's true! Thank you, George....

I came across something interesting whilst researching the previous planning applications for this property;

'Replacement of existing pump house by a smaller building to house pump control apparatus. Permission granted 4th December 1951'... and there's a reference number for the application.
But a search on the website didn't throw up any further details. Do LPAs keep historical applications or would it have been deleted by now? Dx

Only see what they want to see possibly.
You got evidence your the winner possibly???

 

[Still Farming]

28 nights per year. Although there is a current relaxation to 56 days.

Camping sites

 

[Brad123]

Hi ive got a good question for George and many others hopefully. I have a building that started life as a twin unit mobile home what building/engineering Work could I do to this to make it a permanent building in the eyes of the lpa.I know there are certain alterations that you can do to make it permanently fixed to the ground and unmoveable and need to know as many ideas as possible so please fire away and many thanks for your time in advance

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Hi ive got a good question for George and many others hopefully. I have a building that started life as a twin unit mobile home what building/engineering Work could I do to this to make it a permanent building in the eyes of the lpa.I know there are certain alterations that you can do to make it permanently fixed to the ground and unmoveable and need to know as many ideas as possible so please fire away and many thanks for your time in advance

A simple extension to it made traditionally (Like a porch and utility room cut into the side of the existing chalet, using blockwork and traditional footings) could be sufficient to turn the mobile into a building for the purposes of the Town and Country Planning Act.

This would usually have to be in situ for 4 years before it qualified for immunity

 

[Chalky]

Not sure if this has been covered before...

If we look to demolish an existing shed as completely outdated(grain storage) and replace on same footprint, is this 'permitted development' or will it require compliance with standard planning requirements? Likely AONB status may be forced on the area, and I could do with a future proofed solution beforehand in my back pocket!

It is a 1950/60's brick bin then pit then pole shed set up-one roof, overall bigger than 1000 sqm, 12 metres from unmarked road(we own it with adopted surface by highways), under 12 metres high. I have plans that can easily get 5500T on a footprint that currently manages only 2300t! The whole yard is hardened/concreted, and much, much bigger.

Thoughts...

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Not sure if this has been covered before...

If we look to demolish an existing shed as completely outdated(grain storage) and replace on same footprint, is this 'permitted development' or will it require compliance with standard planning requirements? Likely AONB status may be forced on the area, and I could do with a future proofed solution beforehand in my back pocket!

It is a 1950/60's brick bin then pit then pole shed set up-one roof, overall bigger than 1000 sqm, 12 metres from unmarked road(we own it with adopted surface by highways), under 12 metres high. I have plans that can easily get 5500T on a footprint that currently manages only 2300t! The whole yard is hardened/concreted, and much, much bigger.

Thoughts...

You will need to apply for Prior Approval providing it is below 1000sqm. If larger it will need planning permission. Just because it is a similar building on a similar footprint it is still a new building.

 

[Chalky]

Even on the existing footprint? ie within the perimeter of what is being replaced?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Even on the existing footprint? ie within the perimeter of what is being replaced?

Yes it is a new building, I can't see anything in the legislation to say that replacements of a similar or smaller footprint are exempt.

 

[Chalky]

Thanks George

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Even on the existing footprint? ie within the perimeter of what is being replaced?

Once a building is substantially demolished it ceases to exist in English planning law and there is no automatic right to rebuild it.

Many forget that in the case of fires. Part of the replacement cost (and timescale) is gaining planning permission.

 

[BunnysRock]

Good afternoon George, I have another question for you if I may. Can you explain the difference between "Prior Notification" and "Prior Approval" in terms of planning applications please? Many thanks.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Good afternoon George, I have another question for you if I may. Can you explain the difference between "Prior Notification" and "Prior Approval" in terms of planning applications please? Many thanks.

No difference, Prior Approval and Prior Notification, they are totally interchangable terms.
The application you make is a Prior Approval application but it is commonly known as Prior Notification. The application is to 'notify' the Local Authority that you wish to develop and you are seeking whether you require their 'approval'.