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Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)
- Thread starter George from SJM Planning
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Nearly
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- Location
- North of York
Just nosey. Would the area of the panels be the horizontal area, not the panel area if mounted on an angle?
It would be the area of land covered, not the surface area of the panel
- Location
- Near Beeston Castle
A hypothetical question for you @George from SJM Planning but it does relate to a friends application.
Application was refused for various reasons but the main one was:
The proposed development fails to meet the requirements of, and conflicts with, Policy STRAT 9 of the Cheshire West and Chester Local Plan (Part One) and Policy DM 22 of the Cheshire West and Chester Local Plan (Part Two). (opposed to new development in the countryside)
The development would also cause detrimental harm to the intrinsic character and beauty of the countryside.
I have no idea how it would cause harm as it is isolated and very few spots where you could actually see it, and even then it is just a derelict farmyard by all appearances at the moment.
My question is, would it be feasible to apply under class Q for part of it and avoid those conflicts, then once passed get it changed to full planning without doing any work. Then assuming that is passed go on to use class Q to get the other half passed? Is that a way of using the easier route of converting a farm yard and getting around the size limitations of class Q?
As I say, just theoretical, nothing to do with me just interested as I have known the family and farm all my life. It's not for me to advise them as they are the typical bunch of sibling farmers that cannot come to any agreement amongst themselves and I have no intention of getting involved in that lot much as I very much like all of them.
Application was refused for various reasons but the main one was:
The proposed development fails to meet the requirements of, and conflicts with, Policy STRAT 9 of the Cheshire West and Chester Local Plan (Part One) and Policy DM 22 of the Cheshire West and Chester Local Plan (Part Two). (opposed to new development in the countryside)
The development would also cause detrimental harm to the intrinsic character and beauty of the countryside.
I have no idea how it would cause harm as it is isolated and very few spots where you could actually see it, and even then it is just a derelict farmyard by all appearances at the moment.
My question is, would it be feasible to apply under class Q for part of it and avoid those conflicts, then once passed get it changed to full planning without doing any work. Then assuming that is passed go on to use class Q to get the other half passed? Is that a way of using the easier route of converting a farm yard and getting around the size limitations of class Q?
As I say, just theoretical, nothing to do with me just interested as I have known the family and farm all my life. It's not for me to advise them as they are the typical bunch of sibling farmers that cannot come to any agreement amongst themselves and I have no intention of getting involved in that lot much as I very much like all of them.
Obtaining Class Q would be a very sensible approach.
The first reason for refusal is fairly standard for any new dwelling in the countryside. New dwellings are contrary to National Planning Policy unless they are one of the exceptions under Paragraph 84.
A conversion either under Class Q or Full Planning would be seen as an exception.
Once you have a dwelling on-site, even if it is just on paper, it makes the first reason for refusal very hard for the council to uphold on a full planning application.
The second reason for refusal is more subjective and I would need to understand more about the site but once you have a dwelling approved by Class Q then their stance on this one would probably soften too.
- Location
- Near Beeston Castle
Thank you @George from SJM Planning , much appreciated.
As I said, I really don't understand that second reason. It is an old farmyard built out of redbrick and absolutely typical of the many old farms in the area. It wasn't modern cement fibre clad steel frame stuff, I could understand if that were the case. My biggest surprise really is that it wasn't listed in the first place, our farm next door wasn't significantly different and that was listed and I'd say this particular one had just as much going for it.
As I said, I really don't understand that second reason. It is an old farmyard built out of redbrick and absolutely typical of the many old farms in the area. It wasn't modern cement fibre clad steel frame stuff, I could understand if that were the case. My biggest surprise really is that it wasn't listed in the first place, our farm next door wasn't significantly different and that was listed and I'd say this particular one had just as much going for it.
A lot will be down to the addition of 'residential paraphernalia' to the countryside - it isn't always the built form it is quite often the inability to restrict garden furniture, trampolines etc which are alien to the countryside.
The delegated/officer report will go into more detail about the reasons - rarely does the decision notice give you enough information to assess the reasons for refusal.
- Location
- Near Beeston Castle
I think the overiding reason for refusal was that it was an extremely poor application submitted in the first place. It was doomed to failure from the outset as the agents did nothing like enough work. A major firm that nearly everyone on here will know of.
It is ongoing with a new agent and it will succeed eventually imo and so it should too. There is no reason for it not to go ahead provided the right application is submitted.
It is ongoing with a new agent and it will succeed eventually imo and so it should too. There is no reason for it not to go ahead provided the right application is submitted.
- Location
- South Wales UK
Digger tears down pool building at home of Captain Tom’s family
The building was ordered to be demolished by February 7
www.walesonline.co.uk
- Location
- South Wales UK
Noticed this online so further issues for Wales possibly???
@George from SJM Planning - Here's an unusual one for you George! I am chairman of my local rugby club and we want to replace our existing grass pitch with a 3G surface, we will use existing floodlighting etc so just a change of surface. How can we avoid getting bogged down in the Welsh planning malaise?
Unfortunately there isn't a way of avoiding the planning but with the right supplier it can be a fairly straightforward application as most of the information required is to do with drainage and construction. We did the application for Tonbridge Angels FC's 4g pitch a couple of years ago and the only issue was with the new flood lighting, which won't be an issue in your case.
Yes, providing the legislation is still the same as it is now.
Not unless they are facing the highway but you do need to seek Prior Approval.
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dannewhouse
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- Location
- huddersfield
Do you need planning to concrete a hard standing yard?
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Are you sure the ‘hard standing’ isn’t actually broken concrete in need of repair/replacement?
dannewhouse
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- Location
- huddersfield
Good idea but it's for a grant so probably best correct
You will need Prior Approval at the bare minimum.