Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[DartmoorEwe]

Hi Georgie, do you know about planning within a national park? I need a lambing shed.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Hi Georgie, do you know about planning within a national park? I need a lambing shed.

Although we don't do much in National Parks I believe that you would need to apply for full planning as PD is not applicable in National Parks.
I believe the fee might be astronomical in comparison as it's done per m2.

 

[DartmoorEwe]

Its not so much about the fees as the feasibility. I'm wondering whether its correct to assume that the park will stand in the way of someone who wants to modernise into the 20th century.

 

[dannewhouse]

Although we don't do much in National Parks I believe that you would need to apply for full planning as PD is not applicable in National Parks.
I believe the fee might be astronomical in comparison as it's done per m2.

normal planning permission is the same cost as PD as far as I am aware?

for my local authority as far as I can remember its: (I think they include VAT but I'm unsure?)
£96 upto 465 m2
£462 up to 540m2
+£462 for every additional 75m2

goes funny above 4215m2

 

[dannewhouse]

Its not so much about the fees as the feasibility. I'm wondering whether its correct to assume that the park will stand in the way of someone who wants to modernise into the 20th century.

they normally want you to keep your height down but if you have a good argument ie air flow, machinery height number of bales to store (ie youd need a bigger shed if not as tall)
and they like you to have a coloured roof either green or brown and similar if you sheeted the sides rather than say blue.
they occasionally make you stone face concrete panels perhaps if it is directly in view from something special?

but they don't stop an active farm keeping with the times as far as I know.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

normal planning permission is the same cost as PD as far as I am aware?

for my local authority as far as I can remember its: (I think they include VAT but I'm unsure?)
£96 upto 465 m2
£462 up to 540m2
+£462 for every additional 75m2

goes funny above 4215m2

Apologies, yes, I shouldn't have been so quick to reply.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Its not so much about the fees as the feasibility. I'm wondering whether its correct to assume that the park will stand in the way of someone who wants to modernise into the 20th century.

If you can prove that your building is not detrimental to the National Park, i.e hidden from all public view within x miles, materials similar to buildings within the vicinity then I think you would have a chance. Development in National Parks is possible as long as it doesn't harm the character of the National Park.

 

[DartmoorEwe]

Thanks guys, so a 20m square shed will have a fee of £96 and as long as it looks and acts the part they should not be too obstructive. Presumably I'd be better off getting specific advice from a planning consultant with experience of the park. Any suggestions?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Thanks guys, so a 20m square shed will have a fee of £96 and as long as it looks and acts the part they should not be too obstructive. Presumably I'd be better off getting specific advice from a planning consultant with experience of the park. Any suggestions?

I can't suggest anyone specifically but if you would like my boss to look at your proposals then email [email protected]; as a Chartered Town Planner he will be aware of the restrictions that National Parks would impose; if he can't help directly then he may be able to put you in contact with someone who can.

 

[DartmoorEwe]

Thanks but you are a bit far away and I'd prefer to start with a site visit and take it from there.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Thanks but you are a bit far away and I'd prefer to start with a site visit and take it from there.

No problem

 

[Forever Fendt]

Thanks but you are a bit far away and I'd prefer to start with a site visit and take it from there.

It will help greatly if it assimilates well with any other buildings you have so it blends in with existing buildings from distant views, Try and use the landscape to your advantage and not position building where it will be on the skyline ,Get a letter from your vet and play the welfare card to prove a need for the building and baffle them a little with science it all helps

 

[George from SJM Planning]

It will help greatly if it assimilates well with any other buildings you have so it blends in with existing buildings from distant views, Try and use the landscape to your advantage and not position building where it will be on the skyline ,Get a letter from your vet and play the welfare card to prove a need for the building and baffle them a little with science it all helps

Totally agree

 

[Forever Fendt]

Hi
I have just had Class Q part a granted on a cowshed I recently purchased along with 5 acres. I applied for part a only because I didnt know what design I wanted. I have now however been informed by the planning officer if I want both a and b it would not pass because of the extensive building operations needed. Is there anyway around this? It’s structually sound but 2 sides are open. There also used to be an old cottage there and foundations can still be seen (not in same place as cowshed) . Can I go down the route of replacement dwelling but I would like to go bigger ? It was very tiny . Is there any route to go down to get a dwelling on my land?Any help would be much appreciated

Any news on this @livinthedream

 

[Forever Fendt]

Is that correct @GeorgieB82 ?

I'm led to believe that if all walls are down then full PP is necessary to rebuild.

If the dwelling was derelict and no council tax being paid on it the residential statues will have been removed and lost over the passage of time

 

[livinthedream]

Any news on this @livinthedream

Hi
I’m treading very carefully like GeorgieB82 advised and just submitted a pre app to see whether the council would look favourably on a new dwelling on the site that has been previously developed. This was 2 weeks ago and as yet not had a response.

 

[livinthedream]

If the dwelling was derelict and no council tax being paid on it the residential statues will have been removed and lost over the passage of time

I agree with you and it’s classed as virgin land but if there once stood a building before then surely that land has been previously developed and would fall under brownfield policies but in greenbelt area

 

[Forever Fendt]

Hi
I’m treading very carefully like GeorgieB82 advised and just submitted a pre app to see whether the council would look favourably on a new dwelling on the site that has been previously developed. This was 2 weeks ago and as yet not had a response.

What about the part Q (a) you had approved

 

[livinthedream]

I have not done anything with that yet but was advised even though it passed part a it would not meet the conditions of part b because it would need too much work thrown at it

 

[livinthedream]

Why do they do that. I only applied for part a because I didn’t want to be turned down with the style I wanted so thought I’d do it gingerly