Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[Forever Fendt]

I have not done anything with that yet but was advised even though it passed part a it would not meet the conditions of part b because it would need too much work thrown at it

There is a similar case been to appeal i can look the details up for you but i think the appeal was successful

 

[livinthedream]

I’ve looked at loads of appeals , the main one being hibbits I believe, which was turned down on appeal. Even though one got passed down the road, in the same state near enough just before Christmas. So I might give it a go if I have no joy going down the other route. The planner said if the barn wasn’t brick built and had 4 sides it was virtually impossible. I kept my eye on the one just passed just out of curiosity. When it got passed , that day I emailed the head of planning who was dealing with both and had an email back that he no longer worked there. Guess he was feeling generous that day

 

[Forever Fendt]

I’ve looked at loads of appeals , the main one being hibbits I believe, which was turned down on appeal. Even though one got passed down the road, in the same state near enough just before Christmas. So I might give it a go if I have no joy going down the other route. The planner said if the barn wasn’t brick built and had 4 sides it was virtually impossible. I kept my eye on the one just passed just out of curiosity. When it got passed , that day I emailed the head of planning who was dealing with both and had an email back that he no longer worked there. Guess he was feeling generous that day

you have part A approved ? ,what area are you ?

 

[franklin]

Almost all applications for farm sheds I have seen recently seem to say they are putting the surface water into a pond or soakaway. Is there some kind of paperwork you have to go through to put the gutters into a field drain or dig a new drain into a ditch?

 

[dannewhouse]

Almost all applications for farm sheds I have seen recently seem to say they are putting the surface water into a pond or soakaway. Is there some kind of paperwork you have to go through to put the gutters into a field drain or dig a new drain into a ditch?

never asked me for any proof I just said I would put mine into a soakaway drain and if they had have asked me I would tell them I could carry out perculation tests (dig a hole fill with water out of say slurry tanker then measure how long and how much it goes down) < they never ask for it any way but we have done them on sites.

 

[Steevo]

Almost all applications for farm sheds I have seen recently seem to say they are putting the surface water into a pond or soakaway. Is there some kind of paperwork you have to go through to put the gutters into a field drain or dig a new drain into a ditch?

I think it’s all to do with reducing peak flows and flooding. Bit academic when you compare the size of farm sheds with the likes of Amazon etc.

 

[Forever Fendt]

Almost all applications for farm sheds I have seen recently seem to say they are putting the surface water into a pond or soakaway. Is there some kind of paperwork you have to go through to put the gutters into a field drain or dig a new drain into a ditch?

No but it stops them asking any questions or delaying the application ,I don't think many farmers want the EA or local water authority asking questions

 

[TheTallGuy]

I did have a building inspector query discharge on a new building a few years ago - fortunately it was in the middle of a torrential downpour after several days of rain so I was able to point to the puddle rising up around his car as the soakaway overflowed!

 

[dannewhouse]

a friend is applying for a shed to store vintage lorries in but the shed will be located in his wagon yard where his o license workshop etc is, he will only be using new building for storing his vintage wagons (hobby) can we do this under permitted development or will it be full planning? will they want him to pay business rated really?
we are thinking a 30x45 roller door on each 15ft bay <(does anyone have a rough idea how much a 15ft roller door is?)
3 wagons parked in with space to move/few spares etc. possibly a 4th! hes got the bug! (30ft span is hardly any dearer on total job than 20ft)

 

[NSC]

Hi all any advice welcome please. we own some old historic/ heritage mining land 1800's separate and not connected to the farm. Am I right in thinking that we can class this a PDL previously developed land?
as I asked the council if we could and they basically shut us down and immediately said no, thought it strange so started doing a bit more digging into the NPPF etc and it states '

NPPF Previously developed land:
Land which is or was occupied by a permanent structure, including the curtilage of the developed land (although it should not be assumed that the whole of the curtilage should be developed) and any associated fixed surface infrastructure. This excludes: land that is or has been occupied by agricultural or forestry buildings; land that has been developed for minerals extraction or waste disposal by landfill purposes where provision for restoration has been made through development control procedures; land in built-up areas such as private residential gardens, parks, recreation grounds and allotments; and land that was previously-developed but where the remains of the permanent structure or fixed surface structure have blended into the landscape in the process of time.

As we understand this and were advised that the policy states mine sites can only be excluded if the site has been subject to a previous restoration order where the site must be restored to its original state when mining operations are finished. As there was no restoration order placed on our mining land previously then policy law states it could be classed as PDL Brownfield Land.

We then approach the council again and state the above but the reply was still no because its now blended into the landscape. It’s clearly not and not sure why there not very helpful, thought they wanted more PDL for the housing shortage.

Some derelict buildings remain but in ruins including all the mine waste spoil tips but certainly could not be seen as blended into the landscape as these are a prominent features within this landscape.

Any advice on this would be welcome please, not sure how I go around trying to get a firm answer to confirm PDL and who says its is or not? well we know its PDL clearly but why are they resisting stating its classed as that? talk about confussed

 

[The Ruminant]

Anyone know whether planning permission is needed for a horse manège? It would be put in the countryside away from main roads with just one house nearby.

Thanks

 

[dannewhouse]

Hi all any advice welcome please. we own some old historic/ heritage mining land 1800's separate and not connected to the farm. Am I right in thinking that we can class this a PDL previously developed land?
as I asked the council if we could and they basically shut us down and immediately said no, thought it strange so started doing a bit more digging into the NPPF etc and it states '

NPPF Previously developed land:
Land which is or was occupied by a permanent structure, including the curtilage of the developed land (although it should not be assumed that the whole of the curtilage should be developed) and any associated fixed surface infrastructure. This excludes: land that is or has been occupied by agricultural or forestry buildings; land that has been developed for minerals extraction or waste disposal by landfill purposes where provision for restoration has been made through development control procedures; land in built-up areas such as private residential gardens, parks, recreation grounds and allotments; and land that was previously-developed but where the remains of the permanent structure or fixed surface structure have blended into the landscape in the process of time.

As we understand this and were advised that the policy states mine sites can only be excluded if the site has been subject to a previous restoration order where the site must be restored to its original state when mining operations are finished. As there was no restoration order placed on our mining land previously then policy law states it could be classed as PDL Brownfield Land.

We then approach the council again then inform the above but then were informed still no because its now blended into the landscape. Not sure why their not very helpful, thought they wanted more PDL for the housing shortage.

Some derelict buildings remain but in ruins including all the mine waste spoil tips but certainly could not be seen as blended into the landscape as these are a prominent features within this landscape.

Any advice on this would be welcome please, not sure how I go around trying to get a firm answer to confirm PDL

I don't know for certain but the coal board or whatever it was years ago did not need planning permission for anything so there coal yards weren't automatically classed as industrial goods yards so when the coal board gave up with them and sold them off the buyers had to sort planning out for them to be classed as goods yards

apply for tipping to tidy it up, they'll probably not like that either!!!

 

[suffolksmallholder]

Almost all applications for farm sheds I have seen recently seem to say they are putting the surface water into a pond or soakaway. Is there some kind of paperwork you have to go through to put the gutters into a field drain or dig a new drain into a ditch?

There's a minimum distance from the dwelling. That's it. IMO as far away as possible. Pond is good & so is a ditch. Fit deep-glow gutter if you can as it helps with the higher rainfall.
SS

 

[NSC]

I don't know for certain but the coal board or whatever it was years ago did not need planning permission for anything so there coal yards weren't automatically classed as industrial goods yards so when the coal board gave up with them and sold them off the buyers had to sort planning out for them to be classed as goods yards

apply for tipping to tidy it up, they'll probably not like that either!!!

Old tin mine. Not looking for planning at this stage just want it confirmed classed as PDL so maybe go for planning later. being out of the settlement area obviously would be harder to have any permission otherwise we feel. But must say that there are many dwellings within this Exact mining area already so not sure why it seems like one rule for one and no chance for another. unless someone can shed some light on this please.

 

[suffolksmallholder]

Anyone know whether planning permission is needed for a horse manège? It would be put in the countryside away from main roads with just one house nearby.

Thanks

Yes, particularly If you live in an old farm dwelling the planners often like to have an historic architectural survey done for possible historic remenants. This is because you are digging in the ground & may discover a King or villa or something like! It may be you are sitting on an interesting ruin or some such. This won't stop the work, simply hold it up while they investigate further.
SS

 

[Still Farming]

Not a fan of promap -is it easy to use or not as plans I have seen with it and areas don't seem the best ?

 

[Forever Fendt]

Anyone know whether planning permission is needed for a horse manège? It would be put in the countryside away from main roads with just one house nearby.

Thanks

you would need planning for this as far as i am aware If its for your own use and not part of a business they usually get permission but i would recommend you get a planning consultant with previous experience of doing these (ask for some planning codes so you can read there previous applications on the councils web site) And don't propose any lighting to start with as most planning dept have kittens when you want it floodlight

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Anyone know whether planning permission is needed for a horse manège? It would be put in the countryside away from main roads with just one house nearby.

Thanks

Yes you do, I have done at least 6 in the past year and do all the applications for a Kent based equestrian developer,

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Old tin mine. Not looking for planning at this stage just want it confirmed classed as PDL so maybe go for planning later. being out of the settlement area obviously would be harder to have any permission otherwise we feel. But must say that there are many dwellings within this Exact mining area already so not sure why it seems like one rule for one and no chance for another. unless someone can shed some light on this please.

PDL is a very subjective matter, ultimately it is down to the Local Planning Authority to agree that it is. We have had it swing both ways in recent months with two sites, both in the same Local Authority they agreed both former horticultural nurseries! No real justification why other than it was different case officers. We are considering asking them to reconsider but are worried they will go the way of saying both are not PDL.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

PDL is a very subjective matter, ultimately it is down to the Local Planning Authority to agree that it is. We have had it swing both ways in recent months with two sites, both in the same Local Authority they agreed both former horticultural nurseries! No real justification why other than it was different case officers. We are considering asking them to reconsider but are worried they will go the way of saying both are not PDL.

Is there no clear higher appeal test case?