Do you Believe what the sales men always say? If that's what they found then you would have to be pretty stupid to do it in a separate operation.
Pod-Stik
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Do you Believe what the sales men always say? If that's what they found then you would have to be pretty stupid to do it in a separate operation.
- Location
- Cambs
Our ethos is not to release any product that does not work. We pride ourselves on that. We then strive to offer the best advice to get the best from the product for the grower.
No, there is another. Namely, if you decide to mix your podstik and roundup, and do your OSR first, then decided to dessicate some winter barley in the afternoon, prepare for the undercarriage of your sprayer to look like a hairy catterpillar for a long time.
Not naming any names or anything
- Location
- Ashbourne, Derbyshire
I heard about applying the Pod Stik as a separate operation last year, and i could see the logic behind it, so I tried it and the reduction of pods shedding at glyphosate application was significantly reduced.
The Podstik only needs to save 50kg/ha to pay for the extra pass with a sprayer
0.05t/ha (50 kg/ha) * £250/t = 12.5 (£5/acre spraying)
Whether that makes me stupid, i'll let you decide
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Yes but they just quoted saying it made no difference so for them it would be stupid. Also lots of things are ment to give you a return on investment! But most farmers are saying osr won't pay, so work that one out.....because costs of inputs are greater than outputs
I appreciate this. But a grower who does not see results has to use his initiative
hairy
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- Location
- Keith Banffshire
save your money and swath it
some growers up here put on pod stik then swath
some growers up here put on pod stik then swath
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Assuming your sprayer is 2m wide with 24 m booms, you would be knocking out (50 x 24/2) 600 kg per ha under sprayer which is 15% of a 4 tonne crop. Are you really knocking out 15% of the crop under the sprayer??
How much per ha extra do you need in the combine tank to pay for the podstik? You run down 80kg/ha squashed by the rowcrops by going through before harvest anyway.
- Location
- S.E
If you do it now @snarling bee there wont be any shatter....thats the point. It really is a no brainer. I think it costs £3/ha ish. I cant believe people throw all this money at the crop then skimp on pod stick!!!
hybrid vigour
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- Location
- Norfolk and National!
some in Eastern Germany do dessicate - very few round the Baltics where the highest yields are (they are trying to average 6t/ha now).
Both oil content and seed size are put on in the last few weeks the plants life. Seed size is directly related to weight, so a bigger seed = more weight. The longer you leave the crop before killing it, the better.
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Niels
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- Location
- Netherlands/Suffolk
I always get told very high average yields from our German neighbours (6/7t/ha) but when you actually ask growers I have never had some one state it was true or that they actually made it on a regular basis. I guess pest damage (pigeons/rabbits) is one of the most limiting factors to yield increase in the UK? Or maybe desiccating does have something to do with it. Glyphosate as a pre-em on cereals is forbidden now in Germany? Is that the case for OSR as well? Pre-em is banned here due to CAP rules if you want to grow a cover crop after your cereals.
- Location
- East Riding of Yorkshire
Pod stick works for us very well and has done so now for a lot of years. We do it in one pass.
Breakthru
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
In my experience germans quote yields where no headrigs are involved. When I did general agronomy I always regarded every field as two, the first tram and then everything inside it. Work it out there is a big % of the field in that outside tramline. The german work I have followed since 1999 has resulted in 5yr farm average yields of 5t/ha.
Before you guys in the south say its all daylight length and cool days, my best results were in N. Lincs 2012 with 6t/ha farm average and areas yielding 8t/ha+. This is well above my holy grail of 3t/acre in old money. There were a number of claims publicised in that area at that time of 8t/ha yield meter runs so it is not a figment of my imagination. I regard Podstick as an integral part of the recipe albeit the weight of seed lost to make volunteers is probably insignificant albeit very visual.
Before you guys in the south say its all daylight length and cool days, my best results were in N. Lincs 2012 with 6t/ha farm average and areas yielding 8t/ha+. This is well above my holy grail of 3t/acre in old money. There were a number of claims publicised in that area at that time of 8t/ha yield meter runs so it is not a figment of my imagination. I regard Podstick as an integral part of the recipe albeit the weight of seed lost to make volunteers is probably insignificant albeit very visual.
- Location
- Ashbourne, Derbyshire
@drummer_bruhaha
What stage and rate should PS be used on Spring beans?
What stage and rate should PS be used on Spring beans?
- Location
- Cambs
Slightly later than OSR. Let the foliage die down then crack on. Beans tend to split from the bottom pods, so you need to be able to get down the bottom of the canopy.
- Location
- S.E
@Breakthru care to inform us of how we can get anywhere near those figures!?
How much does roundup restrict yield?
How much does roundup restrict yield?
dirty harry
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- Location
- east of east midlands!
doing my pod stick (zip-pod) at the mo, going through with aphox anyway so may aswell get it done and see.......?
what you found in it that needs aphox ?
Breakthru
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
Biggest part costs no extra. N timing. 30% of total N goes on at start of flowering. worth 0.8t/ha from the german figures. More to it than that re growth reg etc but they are all additiive to that basic change.
- Location
- hereford
+1 clive