Press Complaints Commission rules badger TB image in Farmers Weekly is misleading

[Mow]

There in lies the rub with the antis, farmers are seen on Social media, taking pictures of everything and anything, yet tales of brocknstock are very much seen as anecdotal..........

Pics taken last week, when checking electric fence,

, nothing artificial-airbrushed, in grazing field around lunchtime (mine)

 

[linga]

That's not what I said but to elucidate - if we were happy about the circumstances we would, and have, helped out with images. I doubt very much we would provide images to the likes of Dom Dyer.

So the NFU have images that show badgers with cattle in real world situations and the public are led to believe that this does not occur but the NFU does not think it appropiate to correct that .

 

[llamedos]

@Mow yes these are exactly what is needed, and more so if cattle can be seen in the picture too. To all farmers they will understand the significance of brock rooting and peeing around the fence line, the huggers wont.

 

[gone up the hill]

Still waiting for that direct message or phone call GUTH.

Guy,

I did say it would be sometime this weekend im off silaging now but will try and PM you tonight all being well

Ruminant:... firstly perhaps you ought to stop stalking me and secondly get your facts right.. I PMd you on the 16th of May so not the last week in reply to your remarks about me on a thread where ( by your own admission ) you over stepped the mark...

 

[The Ruminant]

Guy,

I did say it would be sometime this weekend im off silaging now but will try and PM you tonight all being well

Ruminant:... firstly perhaps you ought to stop stalking me and secondly get your facts right.. I PMd you on the 16th of May so not the last week in reply to your remarks about me on a thread where ( by your own admission ) you over stepped the mark...

Guth, hardly stalking, but you're the master of inflammatory comments so we'll let it go....

Facts of nearly 100 posts in last 7 days still stands. Fact that Guy asked you to PM him weeks ago with your NFU membership number still stands (Way before you found time to PM me). I also stand by my comments in the previous thread, reiterated in my message to you. I won't share what you wrote (as PM's to me are private matters), but I'm happy to share my reply to you:

Guth, thanks for your PM and apologies - but only for the first paragraph of my first post. It was worded quite harshly and maybe I could have toned it down.

The rest was meant to be quasi-positive. I wanted to challenge you, to get you to see that there is another way and you don't have to rely on the NFU and EBLEX. For the record I am not (and never have been) a member of the NFU.

Other people see the problems you see then look for a solution. You could too.

And, as for me having a bad day, it's actually just the opposite. I've been to London to meet a couple of very successful businessmen who now run an investment company. I'm trying to get them to invest in a large cattle company I'm trying to set up. They're making promising noises so who knows where it will lead.

These guys have made their money themselves. I have started with nothing and am slowly trying to build a successful business. Maybe that's why, when I read yet another post from you blaming the NFU for not doing anything I thought stop, and sort out your own destiny!

I did feel bad about my post, hence a further post complimenting your business acumen.

Am I forgiven?

Cheers
Tom Chapman

Note I'm happy for people to know my name, and stand by everything I say.

 

[Guy Smith]

So the NFU have images that show badgers with cattle in real world situations and the public are led to believe that this does not occur but the NFU does not think it appropiate to correct that .

Either you are trying to wind me up or you are going for the 'Non sequitur of the Year Award' or we just share different wavelengths. Either way, I know when a conversation is going nowhere so if you don't mind I'll alight the train here and do something else.

 

[matthew]

Pics taken last week, when checking electric fence,

, nothing artificial-airbrushed, in grazing field around lunchtime (mine)

Badgers are shy, nocturnal animals who eat earthworms, are they not?

So what was this specimen doing in your grazing grass at midday??

 

[Mow]

Badgers are shy, nocturnal animals who eat earthworms, are they not?

So what was this specimen doing in your grazing grass at midday??

Yep,this one was really shy,only got within 10ft

 

[gone up the hill]

Ruminant..

No point replying to your message directly as its quite clear you have issues with me.. ( and yep it does sound like you are stalking me.. ) and any PMs between myself and Guy Smith and their content has nothing to do with you!! may I be so bold to ask are you a Farmer or a consultant??

Ref this thread: well for the record I have been very impressed with Guy Smiths reply's in relation to the issue of the pics.. maybe the NFU needs to change the way it runs a pro badger campaign but Guy to his credit has answered the questions ( esp to JP1's very informed post ) on the issue of pics/ the NFU policy in detail..

 

[The Ruminant]

Ruminant..

may I be so bold to ask are you a Farmer or a consultant??

What difference does that make??

 

[Muck Spreader]

For the pedants:
Up to 300,000 cfu (colony forming units of bacteria) can be in just 1ml of urine, if coming from a badger with kidney lesions. Badgers so infected wander and urinate indiscriminately in trails, voiding up to 30ml at each squirt.
And just 1 cfu is needed to provoke zTB in a calf. 70 cfu in an adult bovine who sniffs it.

http://bovinetb.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/how-much-is-enough.html

Rather than just looking at this in a field, it would have far more public/press impact if this was surveyed in peoples back gardens. "TB lurks in your garden" would be a good starting headline if good strong evidence can be found. When the public are directly at risk they can quickly change there minds as to what is right or wrong.

 

[matthew]

Rather than just looking at this in a field, it would have far more public/press impact if this was surveyed in peoples back gardens. "TB lurks in your garden" would be a good starting headline if good strong evidence can be found. When the public are directly at risk they can quickly change there minds as to what is right or wrong.

You think?
After a diet of Bill Oddie, Countryfile et al, many of 'the public' are actively encouraging these animals into their gardens, regardless of disease risk - which they are assured is all propaganda anyway.
"What bit of 'bovine' are you not understanding? It's a cattle disease. Stoopid."

*We could all set up 'sanctuaries' or provide the raw material for this:

http://bovinetb.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/happy-brocklemas.html

* Actually, we do that already, with the excellent habitat provided by cattle pastures, and we grow varied crops which they just lurve.... including addictive maize.

 

[le bon paysan]

Bovine tuberculosis still present in France

By Loïc Chauveau
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Published 27-05-2014 5:03 p.m. to6:59 p.m. Updated at1792800
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SLAUGHTER. On May 23, 174 cattle from a farm south of the department of Charente all had to be slaughtered. And six neighboring farms were threatened with the same measure. For this region at the edge of the Dordogne and Charente, slaughter is the rule here because, bovine tuberculosis reappears regularly.

A past disease of livestock to wildlife
At the other end of France, Cote d'Or and neighboring districts have the same problem and the government just will authorize the removal of badgers in order to investigate the presence of the bacterium.

For this ancient disease travels between livestock and wildlife: "bovine, tuberculosis has spread to deer, wild boar and small carnivores such as badgers and so is the wildlife which is a victim First, says Gilles Salvat, Director of Animal Health and Animal Welfare at the National Agency for Food Safety (handles, more info here disease ). Currently, the disease returns to the herds in contact with these wild animals. "

In March 2014, the handles has published in the journal Plos One study highlighting the links between the presence of wild boar affected by the disease and outbreaks in farms. The fight against tuberculosis is infinitely complex: "We encourage farmers to close the badger setts in the prairies to prevent their animals from coming into contact with this vector species of the disease, to ensure that the herds not drink the same locations as the wildlife but also the contributions of forage for cattle do not attract these animals, "says Gilles Salvat.

In addition, farms are subject to systematic visits to veterinary health for the disease. Finally, sick cattle are slaughtered. This is the price that France is considered by European veterinary services as free from tuberculosis since 2000.

Eradicate badgers, is this a solution?
French breeding is indeed below the threshold of 0.1% of herds affected by the bacteria, which still represents 200 cattle slaughtered per year: "This European label is economically very important for the French breeding because it we can export our animals without risking health prohibition, "said Eric Chapelle, bovine Federation (ETF).

Weanlings. , France and sells a million weanlings to Italy every year, a trade that would be threatened in the event of extension of the disease. The upsurge of cases found in the fall of 2013 has caused a general mobilization of veterinary services. It seems that the situation is now under control, except between the Dordogne and Charente where cases of infection remain.

The French situation contrasts with that of Great Britain where the TB epidemic is out of control since 2012. In 2013, more than 26,000 cattle have been slaughtered and the government decided to eradicate badgers present in two pilot regions, Gloucestershire and Somerset, in an attempt to eliminate this agent spread of the disease. Protests from animal advocates were extremely vivid. A scientific report released in March ended the controversy. Shooting badgers proved to be completely ineffective.

 

[llamedos]

Beef Farmers:- Take Politics out of Badger Cull

Beef farmers have called for the Government's chief vet to be given overall responsibility for controlling the spread of TB in cattle and wildlife, taking politics out of the crisis.

http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/politics-cull-say-farmers/story-21183430-detail/story.html?