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So how much do you think rearing your own replacement will cost then allowing for calving at say 30 months?
I guess you should really value them at what it would cost you to buy an equivalent as that's what you could sell them for....same as if it was wheat or barleySo how much do you think rearing your own replacement will cost then allowing for calving at say 30 months?
nor am I, but time will tellI'm not sure AI is the answer.
this is where we differ, I do see more money in cross breeding to a terminal sire, I don't particularly care how they grade I want what makes most money in market and the most profit on the way, if the folk buying them change what they want I will have to change what I produceI wasn't suggesting selling the remaining heifers for breeding, they can just be fattened.
You'll easily get easily fleshed R grade heifers and U grade steers from a type that will breed sound, functional suckler cows.
That's why I haven't really experienced much advantage of a purely terminal sire in a situation were reasonable quality (green) grazing allows a more lowland type of cow to be kept.
is that taking in to account that if you rear your own replacements rather than selling store you can't keep as many cows given the same land/feed/buildings, if you take a replacement is say 4 months from calvingI could've written that and this is what I do - with the addition of use of AI bulls here and there to, hopefully, improve the genetic merit of some of the replacements.
And the cost (not price) of a replacement? 2 x the annual cost of keeping a cow, if it calves at 2.
nor am I, but time will tell
I would rather run two different breeds of bull but I don't think we have enough cows to warrant that and do our bit of ped breeding
this is where we differ, I do see more money in cross breeding to a terminal sire, I don't particularly care how they grade I want what makes most money in market and the most profit on the way, if the folk buying them change what they want I will have to change what I produce
But I think that cross breeding for beef production is the best way to go, no one breed is as good
You may not have been suggesting that heifers are sold for breeding but its what you do and as I have said they are not all wanted
anyway we will have to agree to disagree as this is off topic
they would have to have been bloody good for that money
Who wants to look at R grade cattle in the shed...
I'd imagine the hatracksBe a step up from my B&Ws...... Which will leave the most profit?
I use blue as terminal just as you use simMy point was about using purely terminal types.
Do you count the Blue as a purely terminal, or were you referring to experience with another Terminal?
I don't mindWho wants to look at R grade cattle in the shed...
Yes blues would be used much more terminal than say sim but as I have told you before [or tried to] don't right of their maternal abilities, which from breeding our own ped blues has suppressed me a bitI use blue as terminal just as you use sim
though some of our heifers do get bought for breeding but don't forget they are cross breeds, we have yet to sell a pure bred female since we sold our last BF
who cares what grade it is, its how much profit it leaves that countsI don't mind
You have also just managed to insult vast the majority of proud cattle owners in the world.
Ah Martin I wondered when you'd be along to quote meI don't mind
You have also just managed to insult vast the majority of proud cattle owners in the world.
Jolly good enjoy your dayI hadn't focused on it until @pine_guy quoted it.
Personally, I enjoy and find it interesting to look at pretty much all cattle, to be fair that doesn't mean I'd like to own them all.
I work it out thus:So how much do you think rearing your own replacement will cost then allowing for calving at say 30 months?
Actually agree with this but...How do you quantify the cost to the herd of a brought in heifer also bringing with her bacteria or virus to which your herd has no immunity? And some bug runs through your calves? Its not just the main 4 diseases, its all the others too. Also a home bred heifer is a known quantity - you know what her sire and dam did, what her sisters did.I guess you should really value them at what it would cost you to buy an equivalent as that's what you could sell them for....same as if it was wheat or barley
see reply above, but in my wee but expanding herd of 25 cows there's usually 1 or 2 culls per year and the last 3 averaged £1100 (each)is that taking in to account that if you rear your own replacements rather than selling store you can't keep as many cows given the same land/feed/buildings, if you take a replacement is say 4 months from calving
I would say for every two heifers you rear rather than selling store at ten months and buying in in calf heifers is one less cow you can keep so one less calf per year you have to sellsee reply above, but in my wee but expanding herd of 25 cows there's usually 1 or 2 culls per year and the last 3 averaged £1100 (each)
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. When the subs go , I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot more homebred herds of less fancy types. Also , as more farmers work off farm these days and labour on units continues to fall , a cow may well be calving when no-one is about , so easier calving strains become more important.The explanation is very simple, all one has to do is take a step back.
Go anywhere in the world and see how many heavily muscled (fancy) cows there are. Apart from Subsidised Europe, there will be proportionally very few muscle bound types due to their lack functionality.
The answer to why these types of cows are popular here is partly down to the payment grid, but mainly down to subsidy.
As for fancy cattle having more good cuts, I didn't realise that the extra Roasts that come off these big arses were so valuable, because a lot of the selectors of muscular types have forgotten to develop a loin at the same rate as they do an arse.
Be a step up from my B&Ws...... Which will leave the most profit?
Black bulling heifer looks a lovely beastView attachment 455966
Report from local paper on the sale.