Pronto NT
- Thread starter dontknowanything
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- Nr Malvern... SW Worcestershire
Dockers I hear what you are saying...and we have land (50'ish %) which has been continuously direct-drilled for 15 years...but we have areas where which we just cannot get consistant results with...and we have done everything from mole draining, deep sub-soiling (20") shakerating (8") to ploughing, flexi-tine...and even used the Carrier which I have to agree is not is not a very useful piece of kit when it comes to improving soil structure. In a dry year we can direct-drill everything but in a season like 2012/13 we run into problems..It really come back to basics ...drainage, soil fertility, rotation along with residue managment..We gave up the carrier when we started DD . It overworks the surface and makes it vunerable to rainfall. IMO. Jim/ Clive , how long since you ploughed/shakerated your difficult fields ?? I think the transition on difficult land can be 6-7years !! We have been through the pain!! GOOD on the other side , though.
could you please include a translator for Martian as well?Don't worry @admin is busy working on a York and Elmsted translator
Who on earth is that "blocke"? Besides Shakespeare, Miss Marple and the criminal hunter, the old blocke "Hercuele Perrot?", I don't know much of English literature. I apologise for my ignorance.
York-Th.
marco
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- tipperary, ireland
Jim do you chop your straw or remove it?
I am sorry York, I didn't mean to mock. Your English is much better than my German...Cantona is a French football player who played for an English club, he used to say strange things like: 'When seagulls follow the trawler, they think sardines may be thrown into the sea' when he was in court being charged for some crime.
Camp also means flamboyantly homosexual, like Salon Kitty or Cabaret, Threepenny Opera etc to use Berlin examples, as well as (how you used it): a bunch of tents.
Camp also means flamboyantly homosexual, like Salon Kitty or Cabaret, Threepenny Opera etc to use Berlin examples, as well as (how you used it): a bunch of tents.
I didn't feel at all mocked at. You are right, google & Word spell check are not catching all.
You wish not knowing how good my German is. Actually my english was at School often better than my German. ;-)
Thanks for the explanation.
York-Th.
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- Nr Malvern... SW Worcestershire
Most is chopped...but I think it is a soil type/drainage problem..
There were trial results from the NT and other drills in a Horsch magazine. It was results from the plots grown at the Horsch headquarters. The NT was a long way off the top for yield. Will try and find the article it made interesting reading as it also had seedbed fertiliser replicates.
You miss read it, the NT was far from the best. It looked very similar to the seedhawk. The interest in the results was the relative placing and consistency of various horsch drills.
I know what you are saying @Clive about impartiality but as has been said earlier the Horsch family are large farmers and are quite scientific (german) in their trials. Michael Horsch rates as one of the best speakers I have heard. I know he is a salesman but he can talk just as well on world agriculture or agronomy or machine design. All spoken in very good English - don't miss him if you get the chance.
SilliamWhale
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Any info on why?
From what I see of Horsch no till designs they look like they have the common faults of a lot of early no till drills which were designed for tillage but with a wavy coulter stuck on the front. These aren't good enough nowadays. Its why I don't think the Simba Great Plains is good enough either and it will inevitably dissappoint someone who pays a lot of money for a 35 year old design which is little adapted to the small details needed for more reliable zero till.
Most of us know that no till can be as good as any other method but it depends on the management. There is a reason for everything - don't kid yourself that random events happen to spoil successful no till, its all in the management be it 36 previous or 36 months hence.
So before passing judgement we need to know why the no till was worse - my suspicion it could have been poor seed placement, poor slot closing and thus worse establishment, gappy crops and vulnerability to pests like slugs and crows. It could however have been poor soil conditions with some flooding/slot filling, compaction or a lousy rotation.
Where would I be able to see the results or do I have to buy a drill?
SilliamWhale
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p.s. I once watched a good video presentation by horsch on DD vs min till in Europe which I think was to a South American no till group but can't find it now. A good google detective may but it was quite interesting. Think it was a powerpoint with speaking over.
Yesterday I was priveleged to go round the farm of a very good and long term no till farmer. He uses a cross slot saw same farm in west Europe 5 years ago.
His neighbour uses a very old box type Moore unidrill which is kinda where I started. Both farms looked very well. The other neighbour is organic. Point I am making is that either the original Moore, or JD or Cross slot do what is written on the can. Most else are comprimises. If you want fert CS if you want low cost and useable on certain days Moore. If you want mid point then JD.
For spring row crops Kinze type perfect.
Now tin hat time.
His neighbour uses a very old box type Moore unidrill which is kinda where I started. Both farms looked very well. The other neighbour is organic. Point I am making is that either the original Moore, or JD or Cross slot do what is written on the can. Most else are comprimises. If you want fert CS if you want low cost and useable on certain days Moore. If you want mid point then JD.
For spring row crops Kinze type perfect.
Now tin hat time.
SilliamWhale
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Why tin hat?
Cause you usually shoot me down will. As it is postprandial Sunday lunch, glad of your implied approval.
Horsch NT trials: I'm not surprised about their result. And I have to admit, that if you do NT like it was promoted over here you will get it. Only since we started to look at NT on a more systematic approach we see good results. But when you do this you change more than 1 parameter and your statistics is not working any more to compare it with the other trials. This is just a horrow scenario for a researcher.
Anyway, do plants, soil & beasts read this publications to know how they have to respond?
York-Th.
Anyway, do plants, soil & beasts read this publications to know how they have to respond?
York-Th.