Hello - just wondering if anyone has any comments about how public access could be incorporated into the countryside as part of ELMS - i.e. landowners and farmers being paid for public access
public access
- Thread starter farmerandy78
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Couldn't pay me enough.
yes but could be a good option for farmers close to major population centres ? say £ per m - of course would be voluntary to sign up to it but there would be certainly a demand - surely a public good ?
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Linear public access and parcel-based access were options under the old hls. Under hn1 to hn7 you got £350 flat rate, plus £41 a hectare permissive open access, or £48 per 100m permissive footpath. £96 for permissive bridalway per 100m
- Location
- sw scotland
Just move to Scotland and happens automatically
Ok great thanks - I wonder if there will be something similar in ELMS - and HLS was only accessible for a few so I wonder if it will be easier for other farmers / landowners to sign up to access payments if they are available under ELMS - thanks for those details re HLS for us it would have not been possible to do a HLS scheme but we did have ELS but there was no access payments so will be interesting to see what the future holds with ELMS
yes of course I know about Scotland- I am just interested to see what will happen with the new payments and how it will be incorporated as being a farmer close to a large town I know there would be a strong demand and all the talk about is public money for public goods and public access is surely a public good !
- Location
- sw scotland
It may be that your new reduced SFP will include keeping it tidy and allowing access rather than extra money.
Then again, Covid may recouple payments to increased production ( less likely)
Then again, Covid may recouple payments to increased production ( less likely)
thanks - yes but when my SFP goes which is going to happen I need to start to plan how to replace it and I could see potential in allowing access for payments
- Location
- Exeter, Devon
Depending what you farm, you’ll have to weigh up the financial benefit versus the expense and risk. We have fenced public access which is fine and I have no problems with, but as soon as people wander off the paths, deliberately or otherwise, they don’t seem to be able to be able to control themselves from dropping litter, leaving gates open etc.
HolzKopf
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- Location
- Kent&Snuffit
Lockdown - is already causing us additional 'public access' - the footpaths and bridleway across our land have never been busier - and at the week-ends when it was sunny, boy do I mean busy.
More instances of 'right to roam' i.e. taking short cuts and a few instances of people being 'lost'.
Whilst the roadside Mac and KFC litter has decreased substantially, the footpath litter has increased with more bottles, wrappers, p*ss wipe tissues and worse. We don't have stock on at this time of year but I don't want tramping through the grass, large bits of fallen timber and dog sh*t. TBH, many are pleasant. Many are unsuitably dressed or prepared for heat or rain or 'long' walks. I met one guy and his wife. Sparkling white tee shirts, white shorts, new trainers, white socks and plenty of gold. Walking along, they looked as if they had just been winched off a cruise ship. Last week-end a mother on a bike collided with one of her kids also on a bike downhill on a gravel track. Plenty of tears and nasty gravel abrasions. No water, no first aid, low phone battery.
Another woman, hot day, genuinely lost, walked from the town, four or five miles from home. Plimsolls, shorts, blouse. No water and no idea. I offer water for them, kids and dogs if they are passing close to the yard or use of a phone. Surprisng how many with a smartphone with map apps running + facebook, emails and Instagram run out of juice.
Personally I think farming / land management for 'public good' is boll*cks. The Countryside is only suitable for those who know it or are prepared to learn about it. A theme park it isn't.
HK
More instances of 'right to roam' i.e. taking short cuts and a few instances of people being 'lost'.
Whilst the roadside Mac and KFC litter has decreased substantially, the footpath litter has increased with more bottles, wrappers, p*ss wipe tissues and worse. We don't have stock on at this time of year but I don't want tramping through the grass, large bits of fallen timber and dog sh*t. TBH, many are pleasant. Many are unsuitably dressed or prepared for heat or rain or 'long' walks. I met one guy and his wife. Sparkling white tee shirts, white shorts, new trainers, white socks and plenty of gold. Walking along, they looked as if they had just been winched off a cruise ship. Last week-end a mother on a bike collided with one of her kids also on a bike downhill on a gravel track. Plenty of tears and nasty gravel abrasions. No water, no first aid, low phone battery.
Another woman, hot day, genuinely lost, walked from the town, four or five miles from home. Plimsolls, shorts, blouse. No water and no idea. I offer water for them, kids and dogs if they are passing close to the yard or use of a phone. Surprisng how many with a smartphone with map apps running + facebook, emails and Instagram run out of juice.
Personally I think farming / land management for 'public good' is boll*cks. The Countryside is only suitable for those who know it or are prepared to learn about it. A theme park it isn't.
HK
It is interesting to read people's comments - I do not make the rules I am just interested as yes I have seen an increase in people using the footpaths and bridleways on our farm - and I am just thinking of opportunities post SFP of looking at payments and I see a demand for access as high especially in areas like ours close to towns. Yes I can see problems and I take note of what you say Holzkopf.
Re the public goods for public money - that is what the people who make the decisions are saying and who control the finances so surely I have to take notice if I am looking to find funds post SFP - it is going to certainly be a different world in a few years time - and despite what has happened over the last month - I cannot see payments going back to direct support even though it has now been shown how much the country depends on its farmers.
Maybe we need to look at the increased desire to use the countryside for exercise as an opportunity not a threat ? Surely we all have to look at opportunities post SFP as that is a large % of our income.
Re the public goods for public money - that is what the people who make the decisions are saying and who control the finances so surely I have to take notice if I am looking to find funds post SFP - it is going to certainly be a different world in a few years time - and despite what has happened over the last month - I cannot see payments going back to direct support even though it has now been shown how much the country depends on its farmers.
Maybe we need to look at the increased desire to use the countryside for exercise as an opportunity not a threat ? Surely we all have to look at opportunities post SFP as that is a large % of our income.
- Location
- East yorks
if elms has a requirement for it i am out, i would rather suffer the loss in income
Yes of course I am sure it would be voluntary to sign up to it - but could be a good option if people were looking for extra income - maybe they would need to put a management payment in as well for litter picking as well ?! I suppose at the moment all options are on the table who knows ? Interesting times ahead I am sure.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
One years voluntary is the next year's compulsory. Bit like crop assurance. It's the ever decreasing carrot until it is replaced with a huge, carrot-shaped stick.
Fair point - only time will tell we are all crystal ball gazing !
This. The payments for these schemes are generally f**k all per acre at the best of times. The payment would have to be in the 1000's per acre to be worth the hassle, even then, I'd not be keen.
Yes I appreciate that - well it is going to be tough going from what we have now (SFP) to nothing !