QMS on halal slaughter

[crofteress]

Qms always have said all their Qms approved abattoirs are stunned first so if your farm assured and in Scotland your animals should get the benefit of being unconscious when they get bled out. OTM bulls in the live ring would worry me though going for kosher further south. So im going to take mine to Scotbeef Inverurie as they take bulls now

 

[David.]

Do abbatoirs employ someone to pray all day for each sheep?

When I went round RP at Llany there was indeed a bearded Brother saying the Muslim rite as he made the cut. I saw nothing wrong with it at all.
The Kosher lot must love it when people noisily complain about Halal, because it deflects the conversation away from their truly barbaric practice.
The Government did try and broach the subject of non-stun slaughter, but Milliband, who would presumably be Synagogue, skated over it saying that if Schechita was banned here, Kosher meat would just be imported from places where there were even less controls in place.
Nothing to see here folks, move along.

 

[Tomo23]

Somebody must be eating kosher unknowingly somewhere as they also only eat the fore quarters. Jews won't eat hind quarter meat, so where is it going? The bin, I don't think so!

 

[ritchiekirkland]

Let's face it, live transport from the antipodes to the middle east is a cruel trade that ends in totally unregulated slaughter.

I don’t think the live transport is cruel , what happens at the other end …
Its fine us getting on the high horse about it all but if there wasn’t an ethnic market then most of us would be out of business .
Whilst I don’t agree with animals being killed without stunning I don’t stand up and market when I sell them and say non stun only .

 

[Nithsdale]

Somebody must be eating kosher unknowingly somewhere as they also only eat the fore quarters. Jews won't eat hind quarter meat, so where is it going? The bin, I don't think so!

This is why the Jews are so actively against kill method labeling on meat.

Halal has no issues with stunning but Kosher must not be stunned. As you say, devout Jews do not eat the hind quarters of an animal therefore those cuts are slipped into the wider supply chains for people to buy/consume unknowingly


The Jewish community know fine well if method of slaughter was on labels their cuts would plummet in value compared to stunned Halal and 'conventional western' slaughtered meat

 

[David.]

As distasteful as non-stun is, I don't think sheep suffer nearly as long as do cattle. Their blood plumbing to the brain is different, I believe.
But we are all hypocrites in this respect if we do not expressly forbid the auctioneer to sell our stock to a non-stun outfit. Even then there would be ways and means.
If you eat steak, sadly it is perfectly possible that you are supporting this disgusting trade by omission.

 

[Tomo23]

As distasteful as non-stun is, I don't think sheep suffer nearly as long as cattle do. Their blood plumbing to the brain is different, I believe.
But we are all hypocrites in this respect if we do not expressly forbid the auctioneer to sell our stock to a non-stun outfit. Even then thre would be ways and means.
If you eat steak, sadly it is perfectly possible that you are supporting this disgusting trade by omission.

Something to do with blood vessels to the brain. All sheep vessels are in the bottom of the neck, whereas cattle have some top and bottom.

 

[David.]

Some such.
I'd still rather be stunned first, if it were me.

 

[Forkdriver]

‘Floating feedlots’: animals spending weeks at sea on ships not fit for purpose

Animal welfare put at risk on old and ‘inferior’ converted car carriers and cargo ships that are not built to transport livestock

www.theguardian.com

 

[Forkdriver]

The Humane Slaughter Association don't get too involved, but do have views on what is acceptable.

Humane Slaughter Association, Improving Standards in Animal Welfare at Slaughter, in Markets and during Transport

The HSA is the only UK charity exclusively promoting the humane treatment of all food animals in markets, transport, at slaughter, and killing for welfare reasons and disease control

www.hsa.org.uk

 

[David.]

Footage filmed (albeit covertly) in the Agriprocessors plant in Postville, Iowa shows unequivocally that cattle do not lose consciousness in anything like 3 seconds. That is blatant lie. Let's not even talk about the practice of trachea removal from the still fully conscious animal.
It is undoubtedly one of the most harrowing examples of animal cruelty that I have ever seen.
When the plant management were asked to comment at the time, they accepted that the film pretty much portrayed it as it is.
Pressure was brought to bear on YouTube and this footage was taken down. I think it can still be found.

 

[Tomo23]

Footage filmed (albeit covertly) in the Agriprocessors plant in Postville, Iowa shows unequivocally that cattle do not lose consciousness in anything like 3 seconds. That is blatant lie. Let's not even talk about the practice of trachea removal from the still fully conscious animal.
It is undoubtedly one of the most harrowing examples of animal cruelty that I have ever seen.
When the plant management were asked to comment at the time, they accepted that the film pretty much portrayed it as it is.
Pressure was brought to bear on YouTube and this footage was taken down. I think it can still be found.

What stun method was that using?

 

[David.]

None. Rotary crate.
Poor bloody animals.

 

[ritchiekirkland]

‘Floating feedlots’: animals spending weeks at sea on ships not fit for purpose

Animal welfare put at risk on old and ‘inferior’ converted car carriers and cargo ships that are not built to transport livestock

www.theguardian.com

I’ve worked on the farms that handled the stock before the boats , owned by same company . Very well run and organised , I will believe my own eyes before I believe anything I see written in the press .

 

[Forkdriver]

I’ve worked on the farms that handled the stock before the boats , owned by same company . Very well run and organised , I will believe my own eyes before I believe anything I see written in the press .

This is about the boats and the length of journey.
BBC News - Red Sea attacks: Ship stranded at sea with livestock docks in Australia

Red Sea attacks: Ship stranded at sea with livestock docks in Australia

Thousands of sheep and cattle had been stuck in extreme heat due to the crisis in the Middle East.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[ritchiekirkland]

The animals are trained to eat hard food before they go on boats and are obviously watered . I would have said there spell on the boat would be a lot easier than surviving in the outback .

 

[flinty123]

Somebody must be eating kosher unknowingly somewhere as they also only eat the fore quarters. Jews won't eat hind quarter meat, so where is it going? The bin, I don't think so!

If you're taking your stock to the mart and a privately owned abattoir is buying your stock, I'd say there's around a 70% chance it will be slaughtered kosher or halal.

 

[flinty123]

I’ve worked on the farms that handled the stock before the boats , owned by same company . Very well run and organised , I will believe my own eyes before I believe anything I see written in the press .

Sheep are tired, stressed and lose weight after a 3 hour lorry journey from the mart to the abattoir. A boat journey to far away lands goes against the grain of anything humane.

There's absolutely no reason for live export in 2024 other then greed.

 

[neilo]

If you're taking your stock to the mart and a privately owned abattoir is buying your stock, I'd say there's around a 70% chance it will be slaughtered kosher or halal.

Would you care to provide evidence for that statistic, or is it just a figure plucked from the air?

 

[flinty123]

Would you care to provide evidence for that statistic, or is it just a figure plucked from the air?

Who buys your ewes? I'm not going to mention names on here but it's no secret where many cattle and sheep end up