Red Tractor liars

[Humble Village Farmer]

Regen ag isn't claiming to be a brand. No farming is with nature esp not organic!

Actually organic grass with cattle on is pretty natural.

Going back to the soya thing, does all pig and poultry contain soya?

How can that be allowed? Oh yes the feed companies are allowed to import and then give it the magic sticker, no matter where or how it was grown.

 

[JP1]

Because it means nothing.

It's like pasture for life, until they are housed.

Or free range until they are housed.

At least those two have a set of standards of a description

You're half right

Pasture For Life has a good and thorough set of standards (possibly stronger than Soil Assoc Organic on welfare stuff)

Free Range is not defined by one set of standards and is misleading I agree

 

[JP1]

Oh I do!

Latest is they want to launch a green tractor for organic.

Unnecessary and confusing for the consumer

Might be low CO2 due to making it's own fuel though

 

[tullah]

To be replaced by what ?

If someone is taking your money and giving it away to fraudsters the most immediate priority is to get rid of him and the fraudster. Replacing comes later. Don't you agree?

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Regenerative agriculture is an approach to improve soils and reduce agricultural damage to the environment while attempting to maintain production.

The main principles are,

Grow a mix of crop species,

Keep the ground covered, avoid bare soil.

Do not disturb the soil.

Maintain live roots year round,

Have livestock in the rotation.

All of which build soil organic matter.

It's not easy, especially to achieve all the aims and some of us are only managing 2 or 3 of the above.

It depends what your priorities in life are, but it doesn't make you a fraudster for trying.

I agree that the supermarkets might try and sell the story to increase sales but that's what they always do if there's a profit in it for them.

 

[Sid]

You're half right

Pasture For Life has a good and thorough set of standards (possibly stronger than Soil Assoc Organic on welfare stuff)

Free Range is not defined by one set of standards and is misleading I agree

But not 100% pasture based as can feed whole crop cereals.

Maybe it should be forage for life.


Can you please highlight where PFL exceeds organic standards.


Having a discussion myself with RT about major beef v minor beef with dairy.

They want me to pay for major beef for cull cows. Whereas I suggest it's a minor part of my operation and therefore should be included in my dairy assurance fee.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

But not 100% pasture based as can feed whole crop cereals.

Maybe it should be forage for life.


Can you please highlight where PFL exceeds organic standards.


Having a discussion myself with RT about major beef v minor beef with dairy.

They want me to pay for major beef for cull cows. Whereas I suggest it's a minor part of my operation and therefore should be included in my dairy assurance fee.

"They want me to pay" is the point.

 

[lazy farmer]

If someone is taking your money and giving it away to fraudsters the most immediate priority is to get rid of him and the fraudster. Replacing comes later. Don't you agree?

From a dairy point of that’s not a good enough reason to get rid of them.
it would leave us totally at the mercy of what the market decides for us are good resources and research. Not what Is in our best interests

 

[Treg]

But not 100% pasture based as can feed whole crop cereals.

Maybe it should be forage for life.


Can you please highlight where PFL exceeds organic standards.


Having a discussion myself with RT about major beef v minor beef with dairy.

They want me to pay for major beef for cull cows. Whereas I suggest it's a minor part of my operation and therefore should be included in my dairy assurance fee.

Bit like Red Tractor then, as long as a animal is finished on a assured farm for 90 days it becomes farm assured, doesn't matter how it was treated the rest of it's life...Red Tractor has become a joke.

 

[Sid]

Bit like Red Tractor then, as long as a animal is finished on a assured farm for 90 days it becomes farm assured, doesn't matter how it was treated the rest of it's life...Red Tractor has become a joke.

Its always been a joke like that but try and point that out its like light the blue touch paper and wait for the explosion as livestock farmers are adamant they do not want WLA.
Yet the arable farmers say its a fraud because its not traceable and imported non assured grain could be mixed in?

 

[DRC]

Regenerative agriculture is an approach to improve soils and reduce agricultural damage to the environment while attempting to maintain production.

The main principles are,

Grow a mix of crop species,

Keep the ground covered, avoid bare soil.

Do not disturb the soil.

Maintain live roots year round,

Have livestock in the rotation.

All of which build soil organic matter.

It's not easy, especially to achieve all the aims and some of us are only managing 2 or 3 of the above.

It depends what your priorities in life are, but it doesn't make you a fraudster for trying.

I agree that the supermarkets might try and sell the story to increase sales but that's what they always do if there's a profit in it for them.

I’ve been doing all but one of those for years ( in fact all my farming life), it’s called mixed farming . Maybe I could call myself regen light

 

[Sid]

I’ve been doing all but one of those for years ( in fact all my farming life), it’s called mixed farming . Maybe I could call myself regen light

Someone gets my point.


But you can't because you have nothing to regenerate. IE you didn't abuse,break,damage it in the first place.

Calling yourself regenerative is a lie.

 

[lazy farmer]

Someone gets my point.


But you can't because you have nothing to regenerate. IE you didn't abuse,break,damage it in the first place.

Calling yourself regenerative is a lie.

Not sure what your point is. Your great and we are all crap ?

 

[JP1]

But not 100% pasture based as can feed whole crop cereals.

Maybe it should be forage for life.


Can you please highlight where PFL exceeds organic standards.


Having a discussion myself with RT about major beef v minor beef with dairy.

They want me to pay for major beef for cull cows. Whereas I suggest it's a minor part of my operation and therefore should be included in my dairy assurance fee.

There's a set of rules and the consumer can see those very clearly. Fodder beet OK but not sugar beet

 

[Sid]

Not sure what your point is. Your great and we are all crap ?

The point is regen means nothing, anyone can be regen on 1 field. Trying to sell this to a supermarket is a lie.

 

[Clive]

Regen ag isn't claiming to be a brand. No farming is with nature esp not organic!

this ^

and regen ag is not charging compulsory membership fees either

 

[Clive]

The point is regen means nothing, anyone can be regen on 1 field. Trying to sell this to a supermarket is a lie.

so no one IS trying to sell it to a supermarket


i know of no supermarket using “regen” as a brand yet ? it’s certainly not a standard and has no membership fee

 

[B R C]

I’ve just registered regen as a brand, can you all send me £500 and I’ll send you some signs and stickers…..

 

[SilliamWhale]

I’ve just registered regen as a brand, can you all send me £500 and I’ll send you some signs and stickers…..

What do we get in return?

 

[lloyd]

so no one IS trying to sell it to a supermarket


i know of no supermarket using “regen” as a brand yet ? it’s certainly not a standard and has no membership fee

Why are so called regen arable farmers still using very high rates of non organic fertiliser?
The point Sid is trying to make is if there are no set rules to cover regen farming one can
basically make it up as you go along.