Red Tractor liars

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What do we get in return?

I promise not to audit you

 

[Clive]

Why are so called regen arable farmers still using very high rates of non organic fertiliser?
The point Sid is trying to make is if there are no set rules to cover regen farming one can
basically make it up as you go along.

most are reducing synthetic use - ours has more than halved

but it doesn’t claim to be organic, isn’t something a membership fee is charged for and doesnt sell for a premium

ie NOTHING like red tractor or organic

 

[lloyd]

most are reducing synthetic use - ours has more than halved

but it doesn’t claim to be organic, isn’t something a membership fee is charged for and doesnt sell for a premium

ie NOTHING like red tractor or organic

Is that partly due to a mix of winter cover crop/spring planting?
Still loads of farmers on the fertiliser thread using well over 200kilos N ha
on their feed wheats who are direct drillers.
Your right that it doesn't claim to be organic but it does portray itself to be
more enviromentaly friendly than the standard system so surely a large reduction
on synthetic fertiliser should be part of being a regen farmers aim.

 

[Sid]

most are reducing synthetic use - ours has more than halved

but it doesn’t claim to be organic, isn’t something a membership fee is charged for and doesnt sell for a premium

ie NOTHING like red tractor or organic

So why all the big show then?

Surely it's just proper farming?

Most have reduced, if I feed 1kg of concentrate less to my cows I have reduced my bought in feed cost, but I may have less output as well.

I hope you explain the whole concept to the supermarket, how you are righting a wrong and it will be years before you have repaired all the damage done.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

The point is regen means nothing, anyone can be regen on 1 field. Trying to sell this to a supermarket is a lie.

I would disagree in that the label 'regenerative' farming applies more to a consciousness of all environmental considerations.
It is basically impossible to declare anything as being good or bad as everything depends on circumstance and location. Much better to have a broader 'church' where anything is possible if correctly justified.

 

[Clive]

So why all the big show then?

Surely it's just proper farming?

Most have reduced, if I feed 1kg of concentrate less to my cows I have reduced my bought in feed cost, but I may have less output as well.

I hope you explain the whole concept to the supermarket, how you are righting a wrong and it will be years before you have repaired all the damage done.

what "big show" ? its not a standard or premium, its just how some farmers choose to farm now and whats wrong with them sharing that with others, it's nothing like red tractor or organic no brand, no membership, no premium

I really can see no relevance to this thread whatsoever, do you just aim to distract from the point ?

 

[Sid]

I have Tesco top management here on the 29th to talk regen ag and carbon

I really can see no relevance to this thread whatsoever, do you just aim to distract from the point

You brought up the fact you were seeing Tesco top brass and discussing regen

 

[Clive]

You brought up the fact you were seeing Tesco top brass and discussing regen

I am but you make the assumption it's about a brand/premium/assurance for regen ............... its not, our meeting is about something completely different (which is frankly none of your business)

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Not sure what your point is. Your great and we are all crap ?

Think sid means that if it's not broken you can't be called a fixer, but if you look after it so that it doesn't break your a maintainer

 

[Sid]

I am but you make the assumption it's about a brand/premium/assurance for regen ............... its not, our meeting is about something completely different (which is frankly none of your business)

Didn't make any assumption, apart from the fact you have broken you farm so you need to regenerate it and Tesco may or may not think that's wonderful.

Wonder if they let people who have stolen from them and are reformed criminals back in their stores after they have banned them. If not they are hypocrites.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Think sid means that if it's not broken you can't be called a fixer, but if you look after it so that it doesn't break your a maintainer

Look after what so its not broken?

 

[SilliamWhale]

Didn't make any assumption, apart from the fact you have broken you farm so you need to regenerate it and Tesco may or may not think that's wonderful.

Wonder if they let people who have stolen from them and are reformed criminals back in their stores after they have banned them. If not they are hypocrites.

You are being very silly. No one has broken their farm.

 

[Sid]

You are being very silly. No one has broken their farm.

Then why the need to regenerate it?

It's a rehabilitation approach.


If its not broken why "fix" or " regenerate" or "rebuild" the soil, flora,fauna,carbon, etc.

Perhaps I should invite Tesco to my farm and tell them how I haven't regenerated it. Do you think they would be interested?

 

[Nearly]

You are being very silly. No one has broken their farm.

I know a couple who've committed abh.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Then why the need to regenerate it?

It's a rehabilitation approach.


If its not broken why "fix" or " regenerate" or "rebuild" the soil, flora,fauna,carbon, etc.

Perhaps I should invite Tesco to my farm and tell them how I haven't regenerated it. Do you think they would be interested?

Maybe you should, yes. But the organic product is pretty mature and generally people don't want it

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Someone gets my point.


But you can't because you have nothing to regenerate. IE you didn't abuse,break,damage it in the first place.

Calling yourself regenerative is a lie.

Sounds like everything is perfect. I'm trying to improve

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Is that partly due to a mix of winter cover crop/spring planting?
Still loads of farmers on the fertiliser thread using well over 200kilos N ha
on their feed wheats who are direct drillers.
Your right that it doesn't claim to be organic but it does portray itself to be
more enviromentaly friendly than the standard system so surely a large reduction
on synthetic fertiliser should be part of being a regen farmers aim.

Surely everyone could benefit from using less?

 

[Sid]

Maybe you should, yes. But the organic product is pretty mature and generally people don't want it

That would be why sales groew 12.6%in 2020.

I should get out quick and buy some fertiliser at £500/t then stop and become regen.

 

[lloyd]

Surely everyone could benefit from using less?

Yes obviously but why is a mixed farmer using a plough worse for the enviroment than an all arable farmer using a direct drill?
I would bet that my synthetic fertiliser use is far less per hectare than the average direct driller uses without compromising my yield.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Then why the need to regenerate it?

It's a rehabilitation approach.


If its not broken why "fix" or " regenerate" or "rebuild" the soil, flora,fauna,carbon, etc.

Perhaps I should invite Tesco to my farm and tell them how I haven't regenerated it. Do you think they would be interested?

Maybe you should, yes. But the organic product is pretty mature and generally people don't want it