holywell farmer
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Brexit hangs in the balance it's up to the pm
Remaining is better than Mrs Mays deal
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ollie989898
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Wow, such a nasty and problematic hurdle to thrust upon holiday makers....
ollie989898
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The UK can do whatever the fudge it wants. Who is going to stop us, some muppets in an ivory tower in Belgium?
Devil_0101
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Everybody can do whatever they want, as long they are capable to handle the consequences.
Not quite true is it,Italy,Greece and a few others can not do what they want or should I say what the people of those countries want their elected government to do
ollie989898
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Fast changing in Italy, in the news again today. EU parliament ignored again as the Italian government is forging it's own path. Send in the EUSSR army comrades, to crush this rebellion.
Move along now nothing to see
ollie989898
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Ireland can .... after they pay back the $6 billion we lent them .
That doesn't come due until 2021.
I don't understand why people are being such surrender monkeys about brexit. The EU will no longer have any say. They are acting like petulant children over the fact we are leaving and I think it is hilarious. Refusing to allow the UK to participate in Europol or share intelligence will only hurt them more because we UK is actually very good at matters relating to terrorism but that is an aside.
The UK is the fifth largest economy by nominal GDP. We represent a staggeringly large consumer market for almost all kinds of products, and the UKs net worth is simply incredible and partly explains why overseas investors are so keen to invest here, with FDI being driven largely by China, America and India, a total worth around a trillion quid. Unsurprisingly, there is a scramble going on because suddenly the favoured terms EU investors had look like they are in jeopardy. London remains an international powerhouse of financial services and unsurprisingly, the EU masters don't like it. Don't be surprised to see them scrambling with tax concessions to try and attract companies away from the UK but the UK government has held the position of being fairly liberal with trading regulations but also, critically, insisting on equal treatment of all companies in the UK irrespective of their original nationality or that of their owners. This is a direct contrast, for example, the USA and Russia who have slightly different rules for this situation.
Now, in all the time the EU has been operating, it has managed to secure trade arrangements with a smattering of mostly smaller countries, with the total value of those economies being around 8-9 trillion USD in 2016.
But enough of that, lets examine other countries. Take little old Chile, on it's own, a population of 18 million, with a nominal GDP of barely 320 billion USD, has managed to secure trade deals with over 64 different markets which represents over 80% of the worlds GDP by value.
Even the most staunchly pro-EU activist can't argue with facts like that. Are they seriously trying to claim, that no one will want to sell anything to or buy anything from the UK, and that magically, the entire world is going to forget our billions of dollars worth of consumer markets and just think our financial services do not exist, simply because the mighty EU prohibit anyone from doing business with us? Get real. I think come April the world is going to be indulging in a frenzy after a no-deal brexit, as countries are keen to access a slice of the action to which access has previously been denied because of protectionist EU measures, and who can blame them?
The real reason the EU are bricking it is because a major contributor has left their racket and left them with a budgetary black hole. Several political movements have arisen in some major EU member states, with these fuelling the rise of nationalism and ignoring the EUs commandments. They are also highly concerned the UK government is going to turn the UK into a massive offshore tax and banking haven, which the Swiss and Luxos have been doing for years without anyone raising an eyebrow.
The UK very much has everything to play for, despite some temporary confusion about which Spanish salad will allowed over the channel or not. Car makers are likely to complain as the supply of cars and parts in either direction is disrupted. Not that it matters because within a few short years the car making scene will be utterly savaged because of the rise of electric cars. Think about it, literally, in an instant, eye-watering amounts of technology are going to be made obsolete nearly overnight. Entire supply chains manufacturing alternators, starter motors, valves, engines, you name it, are going to be going the way of the dinosaur and replaced with technology that is already mature and will require billions to gain even incremental improvements from.
No, better to stick to researching battery and magnet technology and building windmills. Need to kick that Norwegian gas habit as well, jack that in.
ollie989898
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-i...-to-government-in-coming-months-idUKKCN1OU0GR
MILAN (Reuters) - Italian Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini said on Monday he “did not see any danger” to the government in the coming months as it turns its attention to new reforms after finally pushing its 2019 budget into law..
Parliament approved the much-contested budget on Saturday, just ahead of a year-end deadline, following a deal with the European Commission which calmed financial markets and averted a risk of financial fines against Rome.
“I hope this will be the last budget to be approved via long and complicated negotiations with Brussels,” Salvini said in an interview with newspaper Il Corriere della Sera, adding that he hoped EU veto power on state finances would soon be shelved.
Devil_0101
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Italy is not leaving, keep that in mind. Even the movement said they have no intention to leave the EU plus not a single party including the above one has a leaving agenda. It's all gossip. They didn't do anything more than talking about a possible economic alliance between the nations of the south just like those of the north have, because the euro currency is creating too many problems for southern nations, they export many products and they used to have millions of tourists. The europeans have been trading with each other for thousands years because we are european, not asians or americans, there is no place to go if you haven't figure it out yet. Something in Europe has to be fixed indeed.
A question about your post, why USA or China or Russia, who their main trade partner is the EU, should stop to buy and sell products from and to the EU in order to make a deal with the UK? Does UK has something Italy, Germany, France, Spain, rest of the Union doesn't have and how do you plan to become more competitive than them.
A question about your post, why USA or China or Russia, who their main trade partner is the EU, should stop to buy and sell products from and to the EU in order to make a deal with the UK? Does UK has something Italy, Germany, France, Spain, rest of the Union doesn't have and how do you plan to become more competitive than them.
Ollie...
What you mostly talk is rubbish...
Down to the simple fact that the UK will continue to buy EU goods, even if a tariff increases the cost.
Frankly cant be arsed to go into the detail, but the German car manufacturers (who have done the research) understand that the sad, miserable sales representatives in the UK will pay a little more for their BMW, Audi,Skoda, Mercedes bling wagon.
WE ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF THE MARKET.....
What you mostly talk is rubbish...
Down to the simple fact that the UK will continue to buy EU goods, even if a tariff increases the cost.
Frankly cant be arsed to go into the detail, but the German car manufacturers (who have done the research) understand that the sad, miserable sales representatives in the UK will pay a little more for their BMW, Audi,Skoda, Mercedes bling wagon.
WE ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF THE MARKET.....
BMW, AUDI, MERCEDES, SIEMANS, BOSCH, SEAT,AEG, BOSCH for starters followed by the stuff most folks dont see... SAP, Opera, Micros ... could go on but can't be arsed.
Shall we have a list of German agricultural manufacturers?
The naivety is staggering... you will have no choice (maybe you can start buying trzctprs from Tata?
Shall we have a list of German agricultural manufacturers?
The naivety is staggering... you will have no choice (maybe you can start buying trzctprs from Tata?
And so you destroy the whole argument that trading on WTO rules would be a disaster, if folks want to buy your product they will, strange how we are increasing sales to the us on wto terms already
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What I find strange is that in the New World it seems the one doing the buying has to say please , I thought the customer was always right
The point i was making is that our market will continue to buy EU goods out of "need and want"
The UK has some "unique" goods that the EU will "need" to buy under WTO rules but not the same level of "want" Lamb is a good agricultural example of a WTO tariff that will impact a "want" product as there will be cheaper alternatives. However as pointed out on here many times the ongoing devaluation of the £ may offset this but that is a double edged sword
The UK has some "unique" goods that the EU will "need" to buy under WTO rules but not the same level of "want" Lamb is a good agricultural example of a WTO tariff that will impact a "want" product as there will be cheaper alternatives. However as pointed out on here many times the ongoing devaluation of the £ may offset this but that is a double edged sword
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There does not seem to be the lamb available to buy elsewhere. NZ has not filled its quota for a long time
If we can break free from the cumbersome way in which the EU trades then the World is our oysters , but if they lock us into a tight Customs Arrangement then things look grim
What?For a tenth of the price of EU manufactured stuff? Might be worth a look.
I dont disagree about lamb but if anyone cant supply a market at a price that buyers will pay then they simply have to change, its a cruel world at times but change is not always bad, but the fear of it can be, i remember my old man having a fit when i gave up milking at 45 but i wouldnt be having the life i do now had i continued.
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