Rents

[principal skinner]

im lucky I have plenty in reserve and am fortunate enough to be a landowner and a farmer

not all farmers are in the same position however

Fu@k me, ‘plenty in reserve’ but thinking of asking for a rent reduction! How to loose all credibility in one paragraph

 

[willy]

Fu@k me, ‘plenty in reserve’ but thinking of asking for a rent reduction! How to loose all credibility in one paragraph

to be fair he didn’t say he was asking for a rent reduction. Merely pointing out.

 

[Steevo]

I think the main point is that the OP’s business hasn’t been wiped out overnight by the virus. It’s bad weather that’s hit us hard, but that anything farmers produce will find a market and probably a decent one.

In summer 2011 the weather was cool, dull and dry from April to September. Yields were well down and the price went up. A local customer said to me “I would rather have a small heap worth good money than a big heap worth fudge all”

Many people are facing financial ruin and hardship. Farming will suffer but not be wiped out. Every acre will be farmed. If it’s not for certain people then they need to get out.

If the weather and customers don’t cheer up then I will be out of business before Christmas, but there’s chuff all I can do about that and I’m not going to expect anybody else to work for nothing on my account.

The worst part for you is that it's rarely lack of customer demand that's an issue - it's almost every other thing possible!

 

[principal skinner]

to be fair he didn’t say he was asking for a rent reduction. Merely pointing out.

He’s busy stirring the pot. Poor old Clive, landowner, new shed not being built, tenants can’t pay, possibly paying too much rent on land, possibly unfavourable CFA agreements, forum traffic up but ad revenue down, can’t get tyres fitted and the bloody Range Rover needs a service ???

 

[Derrick Hughes]

He was asking if he should ask for one . Doing a head count i think the answer was no

 

[Warp Land Farmer]

@Clive .... @chaffcutter ... reverse the question... as a land owner would you provide a rent reduction if you rented out your holding rather than farmed it?

 

[lloyd]

Clive doesnt need a rent reduction just a plough
and combination. ?

 

[Cowcorn]

big arable boys make fortunes while doing nothing myth again !

no farmers have made fortunes for a quite sometime, in fact it’s a reasonable achievement for a farm to not loose money for many farmers


BIg LANDOWNERS will be making a fortune as always through rents or rent equivalent if they also farm plus subsidy payments providing income from their multi million assets

let’s not confuse land ownership and farming again - they are not the same thing !

Clive please remember nobody sets the rent only the farmer . The time to build flex into the rent is the day you tender. Much as l love arable farming i refuse to work for pennies or fool myself that big kit and " scale" will make penny an acre farming sustainable. If you bid it pay it thats life.
Experience been a dear school but fools learn in no other !!!

 

[livestock 1]

Daft idea in my opinion. Virus hasn't affected my day to day life or business costs at all.

Which planet is this then?

 

[livestock 1]

Clive please remember nobody sets the rent only the farmer . The time to build flex into the rent is the day you tender. Much as l love arable farming i refuse to work for pennies or fool myself that big kit and " scale" will make penny an acre farming sustainable. If you bid it pay it thats life.
Experience been a dear school but fools learn in no other !!!

Rent is set by some other farmer for a short while not the actual tenant

 

[Bald Rick]

Vaseline?

They go in dry around here.

As someone has pointed out, we rentboys only have ourselves to blame as we set the bar only for another Richard Forsbury to set it higher



(Richard Forsbury was a high jumper)

 

[Cab-over Pete]

(Wasn’t he a bit of a flop though?)

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Rent is set by some other farmer for a short while not the actual tenant

Thought it was discussion by both sides , you cant get more than someone is willing to pay , thats in sort term lets mind

 

[Chae1]

Which planet is this then?

Saw a meme. You realise how isolated you are when have a pandemic and a national lockdown and it doesn't affect you at all.

That's me.

How has it affected you?

 

[glasshouse]

Thought it was discussion by both sides , you cant get more than someone is willing to pay , thats in sort term lets mind

The game of musical chairs was invented to represent uk tenants fighting for land.
Every round the landlord takes a farm back in hand, just to keep demand up.
The poor sod left landless each round has to emigrate.
The “winner” is left paying such a high rent he is doomed.

 

[glasshouse]

Saw a meme. You realise how isolated you are when have a pandemic and a national lockdown and it doesn't affect you at all.

That's me.

How has it affected you?

With allthe pubs shut, who wants malting barley?

 

[Martin Holden]

you are lucky ! even on our simple arable farm i’ve lost an employee (dad) as he's isolated and not PAYE so can not claim 80% of his wage

getting stuff done (tyres fitted) and parts is already getting tricky, a new 10,000sq ft shed can no longer be built this year etc ... . and this has only just begun

i hear dairy farmers are tipping away milk and prices are down on a lot of meat ... all that defies logic right now though !

The milk issue is down to the vagaries of the liquid milk market. The break up of the old MMB was in hindsight both a good thing and a bad thing. It prompted competition which is fine in a capitalist economy, but also created division and fragmentation. All these factors affect price. Then on top of that we have dietary changes brought about by the sheer availability of alternatives many of which are imported from all over the globe. That in itself hasn’t helped pollution from transport has it? Creating a competitive market has been a godsend for the big retailers as I see it. Look at them right now! The credit/debit card transactions have gone into hyperdrive, so they are alright. Sure they are taking some of the laid off labour which is helpful, but this is only temporary of course. Milk doesn’t need to be as cheap as it is right now, it really doesn’t. When I was growing up we were informed that milk was an important constituent of a healthy diet, now we”re told it’s not so good for us! I would venture that mans biggest issue now is lack of exercise compared to 40/50 years ago. That and the mountain of coffee and fast food shops littering every high street and retail park these days. The temptation to consume more while doing less is rampant. That said, due to lockdown, I’ve never witnessed so many people walking around our area as before. Quite remarkable.

Edit

My point I was trying to make was that the current milk supply/price issue has been developing for a long time and the Covid-19 related issue has just highlighted the matter a bit more

 

[roscoe erf]

On another note to farming,we have taken a hit with ast tenants,refunded all holiday let payments whatever industry you are in the last man standing is taking the hit.No I correct that the xxxxxxx bankers aren’t.

this winds me up they need our help back in 2008 to stop them all going to the wall and now its raining they've hidden all the umbrellas wankkers

 

[livestock 1]

Saw a meme. You realise how isolated you are when have a pandemic and a national lockdown and it doesn't affect you at all.

That's me.

How has it affected you?

Crikey. It’s fairly busy here. Too much to write to be fair. A lot of places have closed here. Bought a second hand tractor off a main dealer which was traded for a new one, loader for new one stuck in France then stuck in ports. Fitter at dealer went down with virus so work on another tractor had to be done elsewhere. Sat with hoggs here which would normally be starting to move and lost the option to sell in stores. Bought extra 300 breeding sheep lost the option to sell some as couples. Sat with store cattle ready to go but as above trade back and can’t see them sold. Parts availability is getting worse, feed is slower than normal, fert lucky first lot came on time some won’t deliver within a month, fuel is slow everything is bunkered up here as many are just saying that they are assessing the situation but may be closing anytime. Not good times the biggest thing we have lost as far as selling livestock is conference.

 

[roscoe erf]

Anyway, as a rentboy myself, there is nothing to lose from asking a landlord for a bit if easement.

yours will come in a jar