Rural crime
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Lincs Lass
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- north lincs
National shortage of rural plod
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- North Notts
Police force in my experience is next to useless here. They'll give you a crime number and expect you to claim on insurance. If you make a fuss you'll be granted a visit by local bobby who will assure you they are focusing on rural crime now. They will show you their police quad or 4X4 or 2 wheel bike plods. However they won't tell you the said 'mounted force' will be shared between four different areas. It will be available in you particular area every fourth Wednesday which is great if said crime takes place just at the right time.
Our game keeper gets a bit more attention/back up now after constantly nagging and at the local force.
However police can't get convictions on known local criminals as evidence is inadequate or courts take pity on said criminals, Usually released without fine or slapped wrists.
Best thing to do if you can is deter crooks with your own security, barriers ,cameras. trackers etc.
Good luck
Our game keeper gets a bit more attention/back up now after constantly nagging and at the local force.
However police can't get convictions on known local criminals as evidence is inadequate or courts take pity on said criminals, Usually released without fine or slapped wrists.
Best thing to do if you can is deter crooks with your own security, barriers ,cameras. trackers etc.
Good luck
Wilksy
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- East Riding
I know this doesn’t help with crimes that have happened, but it’s important to report everything that does so that as the number of incidents mount your local force have to divert resources to counter it, could take a long while and a lot of misery but it will get a reaction eventually
I feel I am running uphill. I can replace items but they will be back and nothing deters them . As the police are useless it is a free for all now. I can’t help feeling replacing machinery makes me a target and the only solution is to have old invaluable things which they won’t go after.
- Location
- hereford
Police dont give a sh!t here either - and if they do get someone into court the case gets chucked out !
bottletopbill
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- Kent/Surrey
Let honest shooters on your land they will act as extra security and call you. Make sure they have licence and fully insured first
The same man has cut my fences to get his dog through and take it for a walk. Not knowing who was doing it we put up a wildlife camera and reported fifteen times to the police. Good quality video to easily identify him. Police say we don't know him so cannot do anything. So I put up a driveway type alarm and run out and catch him. Call the police and they take his details. This has consumed days of police and my time calling 101 to report, waiting for a call from a police officer, to decide whether it's a crime, allocating to an officer, chasing the officer when after months despite their knowing who the man is and having excellent video showing him cutting my fence after 6 months - first report was 4th October 2021 - no action taken against him. Police say as he's unknown to police they won't take him to court when they do get round to dealing with it he'll only have to pay for the damage and only 7 of the 15 videos are good enough. The video is perfect on a full size screen but the police dealing with it work with mobile phones.
The entire process is a complete shambles.
If this were a one off event it would be quite bad but it's far from it.
Meanwhile I cannot keep stock in my field.
The police in Aidensfield are red hot on rural crime
Have you been watching those police documentaries again?The police in Aidensfield are red hot on rural crime
I believe that they are on constant repeat cycle on one of those daytime channels.
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- Scottish Highlands
Formal complaint to police complaints, copy to the chief constable, copy to MP, copy on Facebook..... It's their job!
Well I have done police complaints and chief constable. My Corbyn supporter MP Ian Lavery recently blamed the UK and US for making Putin invade Ukraine. so you can imagine how much help he has been. I politely asked him to come out and see what I have to deal with two years ago and more recently. That was an entire waste of time.
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- Scottish Highlands
News papers?
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- North Notts
Sad to see the state of policing currently. We have been on the slippery slope since the demise of the local bobby. I don't bother reporting incidents now as I know there will be nothing other than a crime number. Protect what you can and make it as difficult as possible for intruders is as much as we can do sadly.
We see instances of police misconduct which have driven the agenda for shorter or no sentences and no respect for the police.
Reading old newspapers there are typically reports of people being taken to court for behaviour which will now be disregarded. Police officers deal with an atypical section of society which makes them inclined to be dismissive of 'minor' matters. It's a slippery slope and we've slid a long way down it.
Government attitudes don't help. 24 hour drinking doesn't permit a normal balanced life but has been brought in by government. It was said the 10.30 closing time caused problems so it was gradually extended and the places prepared to stay open longest took the peoples' money. Police deal with a lot of drunken people which inevitably corrodes officers view of acceptable behaviour.
Historically some business owners banned drink in the towns they created to create a better society and a more productive workforce..
Attacks on women are related to drunkeness but some women insist on their right to behave as they wish and claim the inevitable consequences of putting themselves in harm's way to be the result of policing failure.
Ukraine women and children are being protected whilst their menfoly are required to fight the Russians to protect their homeland. A Ukrainian army composed of women would stand no chance when faced by a Russian army composed of men. Men are bigger and stringer than women.
We have neighbourhood policing which in my experience is entirely ineffective.
Police accountability is a difficult area. If local politicians can influence police behaviour too closely we end up in Putin's Russia but here needs to be some middle ground. Perhaps it will be improved following the Rotherham inquiry into why so many officers failed to prosecute child sex offences?
Public bodies will always claim a lack of resources but the rest of society has to get on with it and finds a solution. Should it be necessary and normal to supply a police escort for football fans?
I completely understand your frustration, but not reporting incidents is counter productive as it paints a false picture of the true scale of the situation.
If the Police (or rather the government, which allocates funding for resources) thinks "nothing is happening", then they will reduce funding; instead, allocating money to where they have been informed that it is needed.
By reporting incidents and contributing to the overall facts and figures (which the person with the purse strings works from), you may not get a response/presence today... but in time, when the message (from everyone) finally gets through, you may see a different attitude.
Doing nothing, achieves nothing.
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For the number of police misconducts you know of; how many good acts carried out by police officers everyday are you completely unaware of?
This has been doing the rounds, and probably nothing to do with Einstein, but the point is quite true:
I agree, but quite possibly a prioritisation of limited personnel, time and resources.
I agree, that what is now classed as acceptable behaviour has declined; but I feel is more to do with how kids are brought up these days, with little regard/understanding of the consequences of their actions. However, the "Einstein theory" above also applies, insomuch as we read about the minority loutish behaviour and ignore the good conduct of the majority.
I completely agree that people, including women who put themselves in to vulnerable circumstances (and other male/female situations too), simply do not recognise and manage their risks appropriately. There appears to be an expectation of others (who do not abide by the law or rules of society, and therefore do not care for the thoughts and feelings of other people) to change their habits in order for the "victims" to behave somewhat recklessly. That is an ideal scenario, but not a realistic one.
I'm not sure what neighbourhood policing is, to be honest. I hear everyone talking about it - but I have no idea who my local police officers are. Not unless I chase for the information. When I was growing up (70's and 80's), I knew who my local police were - they came on school trips with us and helped run the local scouts, and of course see them out and about in the local area.
If they don't have the correct facts and figures, they won't dish out the dosh.
Rural crime
Am I the only one who is getting tired with the lack of action my the police over theft of machinery from farms.. is this only a essex problem or are other being given a crime number only and no attempt to investigate.
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I've said this before, half the modern problem is a failure to communicate. People, generally, are unable to write understandable plain every day English any more.
The saga of the seizure of my guns has had a good airing on here and I do believe it has done some good. My certificates were renewed again this year. You can bet I crossed every "T" and dotted every "I". I completed every form and fulfilled every requirement to the letter.
But, as usual, there were mistakes by the police which wasted man hours and should not have happened. I believe these problems were caused by badly written instructions that the officer assigned to the case was simply unable to follow. Not his fault. If the man on the beat doesn't know what he should be doing, it is senior management who are to blame.
At the very least, instructions should be copy edited and corrected so that they make sense. And that might be a job for the professional lay writer attached to the police.
The saga of the seizure of my guns has had a good airing on here and I do believe it has done some good. My certificates were renewed again this year. You can bet I crossed every "T" and dotted every "I". I completed every form and fulfilled every requirement to the letter.
But, as usual, there were mistakes by the police which wasted man hours and should not have happened. I believe these problems were caused by badly written instructions that the officer assigned to the case was simply unable to follow. Not his fault. If the man on the beat doesn't know what he should be doing, it is senior management who are to blame.
At the very least, instructions should be copy edited and corrected so that they make sense. And that might be a job for the professional lay writer attached to the police.
In the army, there are no bad soldiers, only bad Commanding Officers.
If the soldier is not as capable as they should be, it is only because their CO allowed them to be, and permitted a low standard to exist.
And the same applies in the police, and across business and industry.