Scottish Sub Calving index 410 days

[Happy]

You must hold the bull off your heifers when they are ready to bull
Time lost before you’ve even started I couldn’t do that

 

[livestock 1]

Cows with calves go in a group what’s to calve in another not complicated

 

[livestock 1]

So effectively you lot are waiting 11 months in some cases for a heifer that’s ready to bull

 

[livestock 1]

Crikey

 

[livestock 1]

How would that shorten your calving interval?

You can’t tighten them by holding the bull off

 

[tepapa]

How do you value a cow in a sale that's pd'd in calf but may or may not calf within the date. Government love making things complicated don't they

 

[glasshouse]

Its just more pish from the holyrood pish factory.
It wont make a jot of differrence to global warming or whatever they call it while private jets circle the world and china burns coal for evermore

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Only cows with live calves go to the bull here. Anything that loses a calf goes to the cull field. When I look back at records from before I started doing it it's amazing how many cows go on to be repeat offenders.
Plus when I can bring a home bred bulling heifer into the herd for similar or less money than the offending cull cow is worth then I'd say it's a no brainer

It can actually be that simple.

It's a wonder you haven't been banned yet, for doing what works and not keeping a whole heap of passengers

 

[hoyboy]

Just be a case of registering the dead calf

Don't all your calves not live until they're at least 30 days old anyway

 

[som farmer]

Why cull a cow just cos it has a dead calf.

why ? You carry the cow for two years, but only have 1 calf to set against what that cow has eaten, vet med, sundries etc. And l doubt the calf value, will pay for that, therefore that cow is a substantial negative cost, to the enterprise.

there may be a few reasons to carry her round, but not many, esp with the cull price at £4+ dw

 

[som farmer]

How do you value a cow in a sale that's pd'd in calf but may or may not calf within the date. Government love making things complicated don't they

with dairy, any animal less than 12 weeks in calve, is sold as positive, but not warranted. Over 12 weeks, she is warranted in calf.

complication if running stock bulls, then its vet's best estimate.

 

[Cowgirl]

Other thoughts - What if you’re unlucky enough to have an injured or infertile bull? Losing the payment on one cow isn’t much but you could lose it on the whole herd?
Our potential issue as a pedigree rare breed closed herd is the use of AI - if the cow doesn’t hold (and about a third don’t) but get in calf to the bull six weeks later, we’re likely to go over the time limit. That is our main problem plus the occasional dead calf.

 

[sheepwise]

Will we still be able to claim sub on a heifer’s calf even though its mother doesn’t have a calving index? And will the carbon police know the difference between a heifer and a cow that had a dead calf the previous year ?

yes heifers are exempt

 

[sheepwise]

Other thoughts - What if you’re unlucky enough to have an injured or infertile bull? Losing the payment on one cow isn’t much but you could lose it on the whole herd?
Our potential issue as a pedigree rare breed closed herd is the use of AI - if the cow doesn’t hold (and about a third don’t) but get in calf to the bull six weeks later, we’re likely to go over the time limit. That is our main problem plus the occasional dead calf.

Analysis of Scoteid/bcms data has shown that the larger herds tend to have much lower calving intervals than the small herds. This is likely to be down to the fact that several bulls will be used in larger herds. Also there will be lot more chance of "good" cows being given a second chance and run round in small pedigree herds. NFUS is fighting to get a regulation within the scheme to be able to claim in cases of exceptional circumstances for example cases of disease or a TB lockdown where a bull can't be moved onto holding.

 

[Hilly]

Only cows with live calves go to the bull here. Anything that loses a calf goes to the cull field. When I look back at records from before I started doing it it's amazing how many cows go on to be repeat offenders.
Plus when I can bring a home bred bulling heifer into the herd for similar or less money than the offending cull cow is worth then I'd say it's a no brainer

Its the end for buying in females or selling breeding females .

 

[z.man]

Pretty sure some herds may find their cows calve in the pretty much the same order every year from now on

 

[z.man]

Pretty sure some herds may find their cows calve in the pretty much the same order every year from now on

It won’t stop the liars it just changes the lie

 

[sheepwise]

Pretty sure some herds may find their cows calve in the pretty much the same order every year from now on

Aye the story of the 2 calving books.

 

[Optimus]

Other thoughts - What if you’re unlucky enough to have an injured or infertile bull? Losing the payment on one cow isn’t much but you could lose it on the whole herd?
Our potential issue as a pedigree rare breed closed herd is the use of AI - if the cow doesn’t hold (and about a third don’t) but get in calf to the bull six weeks later, we’re likely to go over the time limit. That is our main problem plus the occasional dead calf.

This happen to my friend's herd.all cows bulled but not in calf.somehow triggering the cow to think she was in calf, ended up with 40 empty cows

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Er... What? How was it a good cow if the vet was required?

I had a cow calve with her 10th calf a few weeks ago, it was backwards and had to Jack it out, (didn’t need vet but I think some would), both are OK. I had never touched this cow before now, she’d always calved on her own. If that had been say her 2nd calf she would have been culled and a good productive cow lost.