capfits
Member
Oh I don't know,
Cost of keeping her another year totally unproductive
A wee bit of analysis would suggest that they have a higher liklihood of doing the same
Scottish Sub Calving index 410 days
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Cost of keeping her another year totally unproductive
A wee bit of analysis would suggest that they have a higher liklihood of doing the same
if thats re the OP....I'm 400 miles south of that issue.If you have a set of twins just register 1 to her
We'll record a stillborn and drop deady into knacker.
Just in from another calving. 1st timer, with a moderate purebred bc.
Don't know why she hadn't dilated enough after 8 hours, but it'd been a long day, so he was coming out.
All good.
Test clear.
Main group in a fortnight, which if clear will be 'clearing' test, and we can shift some yearlings.
Seldom see schmallenberg either.
Ancestors pay no bills, despite leaving deep attachments.
Depth of inhabiting a given environs is hard to measure though.
Emotion runs deep hereabout.
Right.
Snifter time.
Edit.
In fact, merging @Nenuphar 's comments...
Having a centuries old locally acclimatised damline, where grumpy/bad calving/poor titted coos have been continually weeded out, is something worthy of emotive valuation, I'd reckon.
hoyboy
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Are you all stabilisers?
harperfarmer
Member
These are all first calved homebred heifers. All calved at 22-24 months and the whole bunch calved within 28 days of one another. However, I had one slip right at the start after we rotovac'd them. She was a heifer from one of my best cows that we'd had for a long time that routinely bred the smartest, heaviest calves. She is the only heifer we have by her and incidentally was her last calf so I wanted her genetics in the herd and this heifer is/was the last chance to do so. I've decided to run her round. Am I wrong to do so?! Maybe. And I might get shot down for it but sometimes the ruthless, efficiency and data driven decision making is all just a bit soulless. I'm all for keeping an eye on costs etc but at the end of the day I genuinely think there's a bit more to it than that.
No, you're allowed one. Pick wisely
- Location
- Fife
No stabilisers here
- Location
- Highland
These idiots have absolutely no idea what it takes to get a calf born well and then to get it to selling store/fat. And all the graft and sh!t that happens in between.
Also excuse my engineering degree logic getting in the way but how does shackling beef farmers with a proscriptive CI reduce methane?? WTF. A cow has say 9 calves at varying CI. Their version of said cow has 10 calves over the same lifetime.
Does that last calf not produce methane during its 18-24 months on earth? Same cow, same lifetime, same methane. They want us to eat less beef but want farmers to produce more??
Their bulls**t has reached a level so truly convoluted and contradictory, it would actually be great entertainment to listen to a gov minister explain it
Also excuse my engineering degree logic getting in the way but how does shackling beef farmers with a proscriptive CI reduce methane?? WTF. A cow has say 9 calves at varying CI. Their version of said cow has 10 calves over the same lifetime.
Does that last calf not produce methane during its 18-24 months on earth? Same cow, same lifetime, same methane. They want us to eat less beef but want farmers to produce more??
Their bulls**t has reached a level so truly convoluted and contradictory, it would actually be great entertainment to listen to a gov minister explain it
Bossfarmer
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- Location
- between Perth and Inverness
so is this the year for registering dead calves and then next year we find out how many days to their next calf and whether they qualify? if so its almost april and ive already lost a handful which i havent got registered because noone informed me
- Location
- North Wales
But if you register them now,late, they should easily calf nextime within the CI if you plan on keeping them.
Play the scheme
- Location
- East Ayrshire
If you're running the cows on for another year, then it makes sense to register the calves. The cost of a pair of tags v £100+ for the calf if she calves in time next year is pretty good odds.
- Location
- East Ayrshire
I'm trying to be ruthless with cows that don't rear but had one slipped last year shortly after being through the crush and gave her a second chance. Partly because getting knocked in the handling system is hardly a genetic fault, but also looked back and her previous weaned calves had been in the top half for weight/price.
She calves first this year - nice heifer calf
SolwayFarmer
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I guess every producer has the choice to abide by the rules and take the handout or just not worry about about the subsidy on the calf and do what they want re calving intervals etc.
if you read a lot of what Scot Gov are proposing for the new regime there’s going to be way more hoops to jump through for what is at best going to be the same amount of money but more likely to be less. For some businesses/people it just won’t be worth the hassle chasing the handout.
if you read a lot of what Scot Gov are proposing for the new regime there’s going to be way more hoops to jump through for what is at best going to be the same amount of money but more likely to be less. For some businesses/people it just won’t be worth the hassle chasing the handout.
It's maybe time the governments leased farms from owners like they do with schools, hospitals etc, then they could pay farmers to work for them and run the farms in an efficient manner similar to the schools hospitals, council infrastructure like roads etc!
Oh hang it's maybe not a good example of efficiency!
Oh hang it's maybe not a good example of efficiency!
- Location
- East Ayrshire
Might work better if we elected @unlacedgecko as Prime or First Minister! Think of the money the country would save if everyone was afraid to seek medical help for a startIt's maybe time the governments leased farms from owners like they do with schools, hospitals etc, then they could pay farmers to work for them and run the farms in an efficient manner similar to the schools hospitals, council infrastructure like roads etc!
Oh hang it's maybe not a good example of efficiency!
2+3 cows.. Does this mean 2 calves by the age of three? I am doing pretty much the same here, but no bought in heifers and any stressy heifers will not be bred.
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TheRanger
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- Location
- SW Scotland
If you’re bulling all heifers are you in a massive expansion phase, or do you have a massive replacement rate?
ringi
Member
I'm trying to be ruthless with cows that don't rear but had one slipped last year shortly after being through the crush and gave her a second chance. Partly because getting knocked in the handling system is hardly a genetic fault, but also looked back and her previous weaned calves had been in the top half for weight/price.
She calves first this year - nice heifer calf
The new rules don't stop this, just reduce handouts by about £100 so you think each time if it is truly worth it. So making the default to cull rather than keep a government funded pet.
capfits
Member
Nope you are having a massive choice phase and initially improving the performance of herd.
ringi
Member
Mostly, they are talking about things that give a farm a long-term benefit, for example, having a livestock health plan, thinking about the soil life, etc. But the issue will be the paperwork and overheads to prove it was done.
Lets remember Scotland has mostly made BVD a none issue, unlike England. So they are doing better for cattle farmers than England.