Self-Employed or Employed

[Shambala12]

Hello, I am currently working as employed on a farm. Am only 18 on £8/h and don't get any holiday or sick pay. Wondering wether it would be worth switching to self employed for lower tax and the ability to charge more per hour since the farmer will have less costs. Also allows me to work elsewhere easier etc. Thanks

 

[beefandsleep]

I will probably get a shoeing for this but I think your on a very good rate for your age.
If you are on the books you should be getting holiday time. Are you employed on a casual basis? and do you have a contract? Is tax deducted from your pay?

 

[upnortheast]

Probably best to have a chat with an accountant. Pros & Cons to consider

 

[Hilly]

No , you won’t be 18 for long and when your older and self employed you will need 15hr and won’t be able to get it , stay employed is my advice .

 

[Hilly]

Too be legit self employed you have to
Be able to
Prove you have holiday cover etc etc etc it’s a mine field many ignore the bull sh!t but run risk of trouble for themselves and them that employee them.

 

[Lincs Lass]

Consider aswell that if you went SE ,you dont get sick pay ,holiday pay and if it was bad weather and the farm is only arable ,you could find yourself sat at home waiting for things to improve ,,also you would need to take out liability insurance

 

[Bald Rick]

Hello, I am currently working as employed on a farm. Am only 18 on £8/h and don't get any holiday or sick pay. Wondering wether it would be worth switching to self employed for lower tax and the ability to charge more per hour since the farmer will have less costs. Also allows me to work elsewhere easier etc. Thanks

We employ 18yr olds on that rate but they also get sick pay and at least 21 days paid hols depending on service. They have tax deducted at source which is claimed back at end of year from hmrc
Think your employer is not being fair

 

[Still Farming]

If employed you get more than slf employed.
Why ant you getting holiday and sick pay?
Think the employer is not correct.
Do they take stoppages ,tax and ni ?

 

[Shambala12]

I don't have a huge issue with £8/h because obviously I'm inexperienced however obviously more is better. As to why I don't get holiday or sick pay, probably them not being fair. I am on the books and work full-time on a dairy and contracting farm however no-one has a contract which I have strongly hinted at that I would want one but nothing been done about it. Tax and NI is taken out, as well as £400/m for a 6x8m room which he is 'not profiting' from....

 

[Lincs Lass]

My maths might be wrong but 8x39hr x 4 weeks =£1248 ,less tax an ni ,whats that 24% total ,,948 - £400 accommodation ,,you have £550 +or- left over ,,£112 ish a week to live on ,obviously theres overtime ,presume you get time and half

 

[Shambala12]

Wish I did 39hrs a week at times. Did 261 hours pretty much last month just gone so more like 65hrs/week bringing in just under 2.1k without tax and rent. It's not a bad figure but that's only due to the hours I'm doing.

 

[Shambala12]

And no suprise, don't get overtime either. Start at 5am and didn't finish until 8pm the other night, usually around 6pm

 

[Two Tone]

I am sure that if you are employed, on the books and paying NI and PAYE, you are entitled to sick pay and paid holidays.
As for the £400/month rent being deducted, that sound a bloody rip off!
Does he feed you on that as well?

 

[Shambala12]

I am sure that if you are employed, on the books and paying NI and PAYE, you are entitled to sick pay and paid holidays.
As for the £400/month rent being deducted, that sound a bloody rip off!
Does he feed you on that as well?

I am entitled to it but he won't pay it. And I wish

 

[Lincs Lass]

Your boss is using you ,I bet the reason nobody has a contract is because ages ago ,everybody came under the eu working time directive ,meaning you could either work a basic week or agree to do overtime .
Ide be having a word with him and if hes not paying overtime rate ,look for another job asap

 

[Shambala12]

Your boss is using you ,I bet the reason nobody has a contract is because ages ago ,everybody came under the eu working time directive ,meaning you could either work a basic week or agree to do overtime .
Ide be having a word with him and if hes not paying overtime rate ,look for another job asap

To be honest, I've been keeping an eye out but harvest is over now and not many tractor orientated jobs around. I don't need to sit on a tractor all day every day and enjoy working with stock but also like my machinery work too. Just difficult finding jobs available, also people who are willing to take on an 18yr old (not many)

 

[Lincs Lass]

Somebody would willing to take on an 18 yr old if they know you are prepared to work and learn .
Nobody ever in an line of work will be experienced ,you can have a head full of books from uni and still no nothing so dont knock yourself down because of your age .
Building site back of me advertised for a school leaver six months ago and an 18 yr old lad walked into site one day and asked what was involved ,,they took him there and then because he showed an interest ,,he is now doing varied jobs all over the site yet he had no experience .
You have learnt alot in your short time ,a potential employer would look on you as very willing .

 

[Shambala12]

Somebody would willing to take on an 18 yr old if they know you are prepared to work and learn .
Nobody ever in an line of work will be experienced ,you can have a head full of books from uni and still no nothing so dont knock yourself down because of your age .
Building site back of me advertised for a school leaver six months ago and an 18 yr old lad walked into site one day and asked what was involved ,,they took him there and then because he showed an interest ,,he is now doing varied jobs all over the site yet he had no experience .
You have learnt alot in your short time ,a potential employer would look on you as very willing .

I'm aware that some people do take on 18yr olds but as I've already learnt to find this job, it's very difficult. If I could find the post I made looking for a job I would show you but made it very clear I am willing to learn. Just a lot of people want someone who can start who can get on with things without needing any help or asking questions.

 

[Flasheart]

You are being mugged by your boss. The wage is pretty fair, but you should have a contract of employment, holiday and statutory sick pay and be paid overtime above your basic hours. The rent is pretty steep too.

Going self employed is a minefield.

I am an employer btw

 

[Farmer_Joe]

f**k that, i would just go work for some one else, im sure there is plenty on here you pay you fairly and with a contract and sick pay etc..

lets be honest they wont change so just move on