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Will see if I can dig it out
I did some very late bales that were extremely wet
They tested 18% P 11.8 Me
But its not rocket sience
High Energy Ryegrass , we use AstonEnergy
Chicory/ Red Clover
SFI from a dairy perspective
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I did some very late bales that were extremely wet
They tested 18% P 11.8 Me
But its not rocket sience
High Energy Ryegrass , we use AstonEnergy
Chicory/ Red Clover
11.8 is no drama, but near 13me is a work of art. Red clover never analysis that well, so it's even better
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- Ceredigion
Given the 11 8 was cut early October in all that wet weather and no sun
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- somerset
trying to explain to my retired dairy farmer mate, you cannot earn as much money, milking cows, off 'poor' ground, as you can putting it into wild bird seed/flowers etc.
he just cannot 'get' it. So how can we expect the great general public to understand it, putting land into 'flowers' rather than food, when food inflation starts again ? We will get the blame, again.
To be fair, got a job to get my brain around some of it, especially when you start factoring in the fact, there are no real costs attached to some of the options, in yrs 2 and 3.
but l don't think it will continue after the initial 3 yr period, without a big change in rules and payments.
as @Beef farmer said, 13th milk cheque, thankyou very much, factor in decreased costs, its nearly going to be a 14th as well.
he just cannot 'get' it. So how can we expect the great general public to understand it, putting land into 'flowers' rather than food, when food inflation starts again ? We will get the blame, again.
To be fair, got a job to get my brain around some of it, especially when you start factoring in the fact, there are no real costs attached to some of the options, in yrs 2 and 3.
but l don't think it will continue after the initial 3 yr period, without a big change in rules and payments.
as @Beef farmer said, 13th milk cheque, thankyou very much, factor in decreased costs, its nearly going to be a 14th as well.
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Wild bird seed cover pays what, £853
per ha?? Less establishment costs
if you haven’t been able to make that per ha milking cows then questions should be asked!!
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Firstly on some shite banks that grow bugger all, so that's easy.
2nd, start adding up the costs of not working it, for the following years, quite easy to see how.
if on good ground though, different matter.
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Yes sorry missed the bit where you said poor ground.
Fair enough if it is land that is producing next to nothing. On this small farm however, a dedicated stewardship option would have to pay considerably more if it were to replace a forage production hectare
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I admire your principals but it is only a 3 year agreement and sowing a few herbs that may or not grow is hardly signing up to the devil
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- somerset
always been told, do the opposite of what everyone else is doing, and l have done that several times, it can be a smart move, and l have made money doing exactly that.
but this time, not so sure, just to many external factors to muddy the waters.
The cost of living 'crisis', isn't just a temporary 'thing', unless something drastic happens, its going to be the new 'normal'. Food costs are one thing the guv can influence, energy/fuel it cannot, its a world price, housing for all their boasts, is still going to be expensive, building costs are such, no body will build them, or buy to rent, if there is no profit there.
SFI etc, cannot last, its simply to expensive for guv to afford, as a country we are basically skint, so its either borrowing, or higher taxation, to keep these things funded. Or back to austerity, the electorate will love that.
so reducing home production, might, just possibly, concentrate guvs mind, into thinking we are not so awful, after all. And hopefully, bring about some common-sense, into ag policy, which we desperately need.
Not all sweetness & light with herbal leys … bloat seems to be a major issue especially with young stock
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Unpacking Herbal Leys: Balancing Rewards and Risks - Lordington Park Agronomy
Many farmers have been attracted enticed by the £382 per hectare stewardship payment for implementing a herbal ley, often overlooking potential downsides.
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been feeding them for 4 years now, no problem.Not all sweetness & light with herbal leys … bloat seems to be a major issue especially with young stock
Unpacking Herbal Leys: Balancing Rewards and Risks - Lordington Park Agronomy
Many farmers have been attracted enticed by the £382 per hectare stewardship payment for implementing a herbal ley, often overlooking potential downsides.
its a management issue, you wouldn't turn cattle straight out into a clover ley, just make sure some fibre there, to begin with.
managing herbal leys, is quite different to clover/prg leys, you just have to be careful climatizing stock to them.
Just pointing out that care is needed. We won’t have access to such enlightenment this side of the border
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you do seem blessed with some funny politicians.
give it 3 or 4 years, things will look somewhat different, and being politicians, it will be every other ones fault, but not theirs !
if food is either short, and/or to expensive, for the consumer, everything will be in top gear reverse. Politicians will always choose food over climate, when it comes to crunch time, they value their jobs to highly.
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I've never had seen bloat hereNot all sweetness & light with herbal leys … bloat seems to be a major issue especially with young stock
Unpacking Herbal Leys: Balancing Rewards and Risks - Lordington Park Agronomy
Many farmers have been attracted enticed by the £382 per hectare stewardship payment for implementing a herbal ley, often overlooking potential downsides.
I don’t graze so all I can see is a reduced silage yield.
How many tonnes to the acre will a herbal ley produce on a three cut system?
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- Pembrokeshire
Won’t be a herbal ley for long cutting regular ,cos most of them will probaly disappear
C
I’m of the same opinion as you. The money would be nice, but not if there’s knock on effects of yield and/or quality. Might be tempted to try some in & around some old ww2 army camp bases that we can’t do anything other than graze youngstock…or make hay if you’re feeling brave with the mower.
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We cut outs 3 to 4 times, depends on the year , ours gets nitrogen and slurry the same as the grass leys, so yields a simular
what about winter grazing?
does it just disappear like clover?
can it handle being hammerd with sheep?