SFI....FUBAR

[spin cycle]

What does fubar mean spin? Is it like a sausage.

When see sfi written imistake if for scfi lol

i didn't know until recently and i think it might be army slang....but not sure

Fecked Up Beyond All Recognition

 

[Bury the Trash]

i didn't know until recently and i think it might be army slang....but not sure

Fecked Up Beyond All Recognition

Ah I see.

First I thought it sounded a bit like a silent but particularly stinky fart lol.( emojis aren't working ) big grin.face with big grin and tears rolling down

 

[Hampton]

This could be turned into a huge PR coup for the farming industry.
Well, we tried to turn our farms into environmental paradise, but the government stopped us and forced us to grow food!!!

 

[Steevo]

This could be turned into a huge PR coup for the farming industry.
Well, we tried to turn our farms into environmental paradise, but the government stopped us and forced us to grow food!!!

Well said.

A 75% cut no less!

 

[spin cycle]

Ah I see.

First I thought it sounded a bit like a silent but particularly stinky fart lol.( emojis aren't working ) big grin.face with big grin and tears rolling down

first time i heard it i thought the person was miss pronouncing 'faux pas'

 

[spin cycle]

This could be turned into a huge PR coup for the farming industry.
Well, we tried to turn our farms into environmental paradise, but the government stopped us and forced us to grow food!!!

exactly that.....how can you deny subsidy and then force ppl to trade potentially unprofitably....ergo the sfi is 'fubar'

 

[Henarar]

If you put all your eggs in the SFI basket best expect to break a few ,
work with it round your farming and do the best you can with both

changing the rules for environmental payments is nothing new

 

[Vader]

but the scale of it is mind numbing ......and this is just the start ,i think, as the whole thing unravels

And Janet will walk off to the next gov job no consequences....

 

[Zippy768]

This could be turned into a huge PR coup for the farming industry.
Well, we tried to turn our farms into environmental paradise, but the government stopped us and forced us to grow food!!!

Probably will turn into a PR disaster for the Farming industry.
"Farmers were taking advantage of environmental schemes and stop producing food. The government had to enforce restrictions upon these greedy farmers or food prices will increase further"

 

[farmerm]

How about put two fingers up to them and get stuck in to actually farming!

You can of course do that. Personally I would rather take SFI options than grow high risk break crops that are barely break even when successful.

 

[Zippy768]

How about put two fingers up to them and get stuck in to actually farming!

All the options we put in, were purely business based. Simply the bottom line will be healthier with what we signed up for (and actually less work) than attempt to "farm" it

 

[Clive]

nothing...long may it last .....but if prices drop what then?.....it's personal choice but i'd rather feed birds than put a single penny in mr tesco's pocket

thats the point really....sfi should compete with food production.....farmers can then choose and prices should remain reasonable

this is interference....if food is a 'public good' then subsidise it

it did compete until prices fell recently and weather got broke …….. then it looked so attractive they had to cap it

just 18months ago when wheat was £350/t it didn’t look attractive at all

SFI is good but defra need to stop reacting to changes in commodity prices

a wise old farmer once told me “you can’t farm one year at a time” I would tell defra “you can’t build support schemes one year at a time”

 

[copse]

You can of course do that. Personally I would rather take SFI options than grow high risk break crops that are barely break even when successful.

That’s entirely up to you but it’s not the thing for me.

 

[farmerm]

That’s entirely up to you but it’s not the thing for me.

Indeed. A lot of farming would cease overnight if farmers were not happy to work for free!

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

If was only going to end up a right balls up and we shouldn’t have expected anything else.

Classic law of unintended consequences.

SFI was supposed to help the environment and reduce pollution/emissions.

By reducing/handicapping food security by paying people £800/ha to not grow food, the imported food covering the gap is actually worse for the planet.

 

[Steevo]

Probably will turn into a PR disaster for the Farming industry.
"Farmers were taking advantage of environmental schemes and stop producing food. The government had to enforce restrictions upon these greedy farmers or food prices will increase further"

No matter what happens, the government and civil servants cannot take responsibility for their actions.

The whole culture revolves around passing the buck.

 

[spin cycle]

i've calmed down a bit today....but blimey i was cross yesterday...i mean these are supposed to be 'clever ppl' ffs

i don't know if i can explain how i feel about the issue......but this is just developing into everything that was supposed to be wrong with bps/stewardship and multiplied it by several factors

you now have farmers with a lot of pp discriminated against.....cs agreement holders who did the right thing on the promise they could switch betrayed.....a minority who got in early....another group who are shut out....i suspect a computer application process that won't work for months

then there's the idiom that sfi originally seeked to move subsidy away from food production.....only to go into reverse yesterday......this must register as a catastrophic failure because we had a system that supported food production/environment in bps/stewardship and they've torn that up and.....well....now what?

 

[Huno]

i've calmed down a bit today....but blimey i was cross yesterday...i mean these are supposed to be 'clever ppl' ffs

i don't know if i can explain how i feel about the issue......but this is just developing into everything that was supposed to be wrong with bps/stewardship and multiplied it by several factors

you now have farmers with a lot of pp discriminated against.....cs agreement holders who did the right thing on the promise they could switch betrayed.....a minority who got in early....another group who are shut out....i suspect a computer application process that won't work for months

then there's the idiom that sfi originally seeked to move subsidy away from food production.....only to go into reverse yesterday......this must register as a catastrophic failure because we had a system that supported food production/environment in bps/stewardship and they've torn that up and.....well....now what?

Totally agree with you!

 

[Vader]

it did compete until prices fell recently and weather got broke …….. then it looked so attractive they had to cap it

just 18months ago when wheat was £350/t it didn’t look attractive at all

SFI is good but defra need to stop reacting to changes in commodity prices

a wise old farmer once told me “you can’t farm one year at a time” I would tell defra “you can’t build support schemes one year at a time”

As I said before, they should have simply tweaked HLS.
Was up and going and so low cost to tweak.

 

[SilliamWhale]

i've calmed down a bit today....but blimey i was cross yesterday...i mean these are supposed to be 'clever ppl' ffs

i don't know if i can explain how i feel about the issue......but this is just developing into everything that was supposed to be wrong with bps/stewardship and multiplied it by several factors

you now have farmers with a lot of pp discriminated against.....cs agreement holders who did the right thing on the promise they could switch betrayed.....a minority who got in early....another group who are shut out....i suspect a computer application process that won't work for months

then there's the idiom that sfi originally seeked to move subsidy away from food production.....only to go into reverse yesterday......this must register as a catastrophic failure because we had a system that supported food production/environment in bps/stewardship and they've torn that up and.....well....now what?

It was pretty obvious it was heading this way from the start.