Share farm opportunity wanted

[clokey89]

Hello
I am looking for a landowner/farmer for a share farm agreement opportunity. I have worked with dairy cows for 15 years, 10 years intensive production with processing plant and 5 years organic production maximising milk from grass. I have been self employed as a small scale contractor with own machinery. I have been 4 years on an arable farm and most recently 3 years running an organic beef and lamb livestock unit.
Me and my young family have been looking for tenant farm oppertunity but also want to peruse any share farm opportunity.
Location not important however as close to Yorkshire as possible would be ideal.
A previous employer has won share farmers of the year previously so I have had good extol how such agreements work.
We are passionate farmers looking for an opportunity that could work for everyone involved.
please get in touch If you have considered such an agreement.
Thank you for your time

 

[mrs mtx]

Good luck. We were in the same position as you 6-7 years ago. The farm was turned around completely and for the first time in years was making a healthy profit but it was very one sided. It’s something I’d never want to do again and it’s taken 3 years of legal battle for us to finally get out of it fairly.
I hope you get a more positive experience

 

[Formatted]

Unlike New Zealand there is no legal protection for share farming. Avoid, get an FBT if you can

 

[stewart]

Unlike New Zealand there is no legal protection for share farming. Avoid, get an FBT if you can

Or move to New Zealand.

 

[multi power]

Unlike New Zealand there is no legal protection for share farming. Avoid, get an FBT if you can

Not true at all

 

[Norfolk Itch-Ants]

Admire your ambition......if you want it badly enough you'll get there!

We were managing somebody else's dairy unit and renting grass-keep to rear our own stock with the idea we could apply to rent a good sized farm and jump straight into milking hundreds of cows etc

Then i attended a course about getting into dairying and the message was that you need a track record before landlords / banks / merchants will look at you and the penny dropped.......
Nothing shows a landlord or potential share-milking partner what you can do like a smart, well run farm and 3 + years of profitable farm accounts
This is where a country council farm can really help. If you can see beyond the small sized units and often run-down buildings and equipment and get stuck in and make it work then not only will you be building up your physical agricultural assets but your track record and relationships with all the key people that you need to create a successful farming business.

 

[glasshouse]

Or move to New Zealand.

Or france

 

[stewart]

Or france

If you are looking at share farming New Zealand is the place to be, it has a good sound legal framework in place to protect both the owner and share farmer and has been running share farming arrangements for decades, they work well and are step towards farm ownership, mostly used in dairy farming though.

 

[glasshouse]

If you are looking at share farming New Zealand is the place to be, it has a good sound legal framework in place to protect both the owner and share farmer and has been running share farming arrangements for decades, they work well and are step towards farm ownership, mostly used in dairy farming though.

The legal protection only applies to lower order sharemilkers.
I attended a seminar about share farming about ten yr ago and the nfu, and landlords agents were spouting off about the free market and share farming nz style was the answer rather than tenancies.
Then i stood up and informed them that sharemilking waa successful because it was regulated by statute.
They didnt like it.

 

[multi power]

The legal protection only applies to lower order sharemilkers.
I attended a seminar about share farming about ten yr ago and the nfu, and landlords agents were spouting off about the free market and share farming nz style was the answer rather than tenancies.
Then i stood up and informed them that sharemilking waa successful because it was regulated by statute.
They didnt like it.

Are you sure? I thought all sharemilkers are protected, but the reason it is successful is because it works and is profitable

 

[glasshouse]

Are you sure? I thought all sharemilkers are protected, but the reason it is successful is because it works and is profitable

I think i am correct.
Its not always profitable, the milk price collspsed a few yr ago and there was lots of carnage till it picked up

 

[BELOWAVERAGE]

Admire your ambition......if you want it badly enough you'll get there!

We were managing somebody else's dairy unit and renting grass-keep to rear our own stock with the idea we could apply to rent a good sized farm and jump straight into milking hundreds of cows etc

Then i attended a course about getting into dairying and the message was that you need a track record before landlords / banks / merchants will look at you and the penny dropped.......
Nothing shows a landlord or potential share-milking partner what you can do like a smart, well run farm and 3 + years of profitable farm accounts
This is where a country council farm can really help. If you can see beyond the small sized units and often run-down buildings and equipment and get stuck in and make it work then not only will you be building up your physical agricultural assets but your track record and relationships with all the key people that you need to create a successful farming business.

Just out of curiosity what are you doing now ?

 

[Norfolk Itch-Ants]

Just out of curiosity what are you doing now ?

After 10 years of dairing we applied & got a 60 acre cc.council farm which we could run with our other block of keep.
The full-time dairying stopped and I relief milked for 3 years alongside growing & finishing Angus beef cattle.
We've got to 320 acres in four blocks. We take the view that it's all steps towards a bigger JV or tenancy.
It's not the way to become a millionaire but we are building up assets and I certainly don't miss having a boss!!

 

[stewart]

Are you sure? I thought all sharemilkers are protected, but the reason it is successful is because it works and is profitable

It is a bot of both, it is successful because it works and is profitable and one of the reasons it works and is profitable is because There are protections in place via legislation.

 

[stewart]

I think i am correct.
Its not always profitable, the milk price collspsed a few yr ago and there was lots of carnage till it picked up

It was difficult due to a drop in the milk proce, but hardly carnage, price fluctuations are part of farming life

 

[glasshouse]

It was difficult due to a drop in the milk proce, but hardly carnage, price fluctuations are part of farming life

There was carnage if you happened to be caught out.
Folks i know greww winter feed which nobody could pay for, cow prices plummetted for a spell, they were rearing heifers up too which took a big hit. Sharemilkers who are dependant on the value of their herds for equity took a knock.

As always, anyone new in to it suffers in a downturn

 

[stewart]

There was carnage if you happened to be caught out.
Folks i know greww winter feed which nobody could pay for, cow prices plummetted for a spell, they were rearing heifers up too which took a big hit. Sharemilkers who are dependant on the value of their herds for equity took a knock.

As always, anyone new in to it suffers in a downturn

That's farming. Most share milkers worked through it, a few didn't hence unfortunate for them but not carnage.

 

[multi power]

There was carnage if you happened to be caught out.
Folks i know greww winter feed which nobody could pay for, cow prices plummetted for a spell, they were rearing heifers up too which took a big hit. Sharemilkers who are dependant on the value of their herds for equity took a knock.

As always, anyone new in to it suffers in a downturn

The milk price didn't really drop, if just went back to a sensible and realistic level

 

[glasshouse]

The milk price didn't really drop, if just went back to a sensible and realistic level

Come again?

 

[multi power]

Come again?

20 years ago milk was 3.65 dollars a kg, it went up to I think over 8, then back down to I think around 5
If spuds went up to £1000 a ton one year it would be foolish to expect the same thing the next year