Shepherd's hut/Gypsy wagon what planning permission would i need?

[Manney]

I'm thinking about setting up a small glamping enterprise with a shepherd's hut and gypsy wagon. Will be located slightly off the main farm on the edge of some woodland. Access is ok and the view is stunning.

The site has mains water but I will need to install a septic tank. What planning would I need? Just change of use? Everything will be on wheels and moved every so often.

 

[curlietailz]

I’d go for Gypsy wagon. They don’t need to adhere to any rules or regs !

 

[Manney]

We've got first refusal on a nice shepherds hut with it's own shower/toilet etc. I know of a gypsy wagon that's in good condition and is potentially for sale but obviously I would need some sort of toilet/shower block. All of the above I am happy with it's just the planning side of things I'm not sure about.

We stayed a a couple of sites and neither had planning permission.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Best stay on side with planners in case you want to expand in future. I guess if they are mobile they don't need permission. I presume a loo, shower block or wash room would though.

 

[7610 super q]

Gypsy wagon = Transit tipper ?

 

[Al R]

Gypsy wagon = Transit tipper ?

It’s only Mr Jones and his Transit Tippers down here. The OP means the old wooden round/western looking type I presume

 

[jondear]

Gypsy wagon = Transit tipper ?

And lots of lucky heather sellers!

 

[Pasty]

Don't think you need planning for a tank, probably approval from environmental health or just do it to standard. In terms of change of use, talk to Freedom Camping Club.

 

[steveR]

I guess if they are mobile they don't need permission. I presume a loo, shower block or wash room would though.

Mobile "welfare" blocks, are available...

 

[Glass half full]

here (Essex) you need change of use for the land giving specifics of the huts etc.

 

[Skintagain]

What sort of cost is a new shepherds hut fully fitted? Shower toilet bed kitchen etc

 

[Glass half full]

was at clamping show last week, range from 16k-80k mine where mid range at 30k

 

[Skintagain]

was at clamping show last week, range from 16k-80k mine where mid range at 30k

Fairly serious then. I worry job is getting flooded with them and I am too late anyone else got any thoughts?

 

[Glass half full]

I worry about over supply also, all the hut manufacturers are on long waiting lists. my thinking is next 2 years will be ok, oversupply will be an issue after that. huts should pay for themselves in 12-18 months, I paid for one of mine with a covid grant during lockdown (I had 3 qualifying businesses) so was essentially free.. so far having the first hut open since July it is 1/3 paid for already, our second opens next week. if it became un viable in future we love the hut (its next to a lake) and would keep one for personal use anyway, I'm sure the other could sell. once paid for only real cost is cleaning and laundry (approx £30/stay all outsourced) so its a long cost running business if you decide to stick to it when prices drop.

 

[Manney]

Fairly serious then. I worry job is getting flooded with them and I am too late anyone else got any thoughts?

Our area has very few and thousands of tourists. The one we might buy is 25K and we have budgeted for a conservative 2 year payback.

 

[Skintagain]

Our area has very few and thousands of tourists. The one we might buy is 25K and we have budgeted for a conservative 2 year payback.

I worry about over supply also, all the hut manufacturers are on long waiting lists. my thinking is next 2 years will be ok, oversupply will be an issue after that. huts should pay for themselves in 12-18 months, I paid for one of mine with a covid grant during lockdown (I had 3 qualifying businesses) so was essentially free.. so far having the first hut open since July it is 1/3 paid for already, our second opens next week. if it became un viable in future we love the hut (its next to a lake) and would keep one for personal use anyway, I'm sure the other could sell. once paid for only real cost is cleaning and laundry (approx £30/stay all outsourced) so its a long cost running business if you decide to stick to it when prices drop.

If It could pay for itself and we have it for free in the worst situation I would be happy as I have a young daughter and she would simply love it.