Spencer
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- Location
- North West
Eley Zenith on game here, kill well at distance.
White gold for clays tho.
White gold for clays tho.
Shotgun cartridges
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davidroberts30
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- Location
- pembrokeshire
ive shot literally thousands and thousands of lylevale pigeon specials (6's) over the years in plastic and fiber
Wilksy
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- Location
- East Riding
I use hull super fast 29g 6’s for just about everything, started on the roost shooting this Friday just gone and they killed some stonking birds on that wind, I get them from ripon farm service and I’m sure they only sell fibre wad
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I’m a firm believer in finding a cartridge that patterns well with your gun which you have confidence in. One of the keys to shooting consistently is confidence in your equipment including gun fit.
I use Black Gold Dark Storm Quad Seal every time, 32 5’s for >40 yard birds and 36 4’s for anything over. I find 4’s will kill cleanly at 60yrd consistently, and as a clean kill is always the objective I feel I owe it to my quarry to equip myself with the appropriate cartridge.
It’s remarkable how much mindset contributes to the performance of your gun. Last drive in Shropshire a few weeks ago I was low on shells after an unexpectedly large day, and took a box of Lyalvale’s from a friend. Missed the first pair, then the second and I fell to pieces. Put a couple of mine back in and down they fell. Same load, but not sufficient confidence in the cartridge.
I use Black Gold Dark Storm Quad Seal every time, 32 5’s for >40 yard birds and 36 4’s for anything over. I find 4’s will kill cleanly at 60yrd consistently, and as a clean kill is always the objective I feel I owe it to my quarry to equip myself with the appropriate cartridge.
It’s remarkable how much mindset contributes to the performance of your gun. Last drive in Shropshire a few weeks ago I was low on shells after an unexpectedly large day, and took a box of Lyalvale’s from a friend. Missed the first pair, then the second and I fell to pieces. Put a couple of mine back in and down they fell. Same load, but not sufficient confidence in the cartridge.
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Nukemall
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By the time I identify it as Partridge or Pheasant, I don't have time to change cartridges as well!!
I used to be like that. But I improved when we had to swap lead for non toxic if a duck flew over
- Location
- Somerset
My B.C. Miroku is steel proofed, made sure it was before i bought it. I think that its a 1970s gun, and pretty much a copy of the browning 525 with the odd difference. So i'd say your brownings are probably fine. I think the biggest issue with steel is the choke at the end of the barrels, too tight and you get bulging - so worth having a gunsmith check it over. Dad's old AYA No.4 is definitely not steel proofed though, meaning if he wants to go out for a pot shot at the odd pigeon, he's going to have to use bismuth or tungsten which is prohibitively expensive... I reckon he will end up just buying 1000 led cartridges and filling the safe up the day before any ban comes in... And thats before we talk about the effectiveness of steel compared to led, is it really as good?
Popped in to a gun shop today and perused the rack. Nice Browning O/U game gun there. Ticket price £4995 and a sticker on the barrels saying suitable lead only!! Someone’s going to be taking a huge hit on that gun. Would anyone now buying a game gun for use in this country buy one that was lead only?
- Location
- Somerset
Well if they can afford 5k on a gun they can probably afford £40 a box for bismuth/tungsten
- Location
- Bedfordshire
20 Bore, Black Gold 28gm '6s for normal days and roost shooting, 32gm '4 1/2s for more exciting days, what ever the clay ground has in stock for clays
alomy75
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525 is more like 90’s or 00’s isn’t it? I thought maybe the 325 would be 70’s 80’s. I think if the clays are allowed to carry on with lead then guns will hold their value for people like me who just like looking at them but if they ban lead I suspect they will ban sale as well as use to stop as you say people stocking up
- Location
- Somerset
Im no expert on shotguns, but if my miroku is steel proofed and from the 70s (which i believe it to be) then i would imagine your brownings would be as well, especially if 20 years younger. If they do ban lead, it will be from a certain date, like with E10 petrol, to allow shops to sell their stock off. So people who dont shoot all that much can just stock up on a few slabs which I know would last dad several decades.
Guns that bend in the middle, plastic wads, plastic cartridges…
All very dubious unnatural stuff, but maybe necessary to be able to shoot dozens of birds a day.
Was there really a need to move on from pouring the ingredients for a successful bang down the pointy end? Granted it looks as if I shall have to stock up on lead to “see me out”, but there is a certain charm to black powder, lead use is minimal compared to the breech loading fraternity, and maybe more importantly the bag at the end of the day is invariably modest & used by the participants.
All very dubious unnatural stuff, but maybe necessary to be able to shoot dozens of birds a day.
Was there really a need to move on from pouring the ingredients for a successful bang down the pointy end? Granted it looks as if I shall have to stock up on lead to “see me out”, but there is a certain charm to black powder, lead use is minimal compared to the breech loading fraternity, and maybe more importantly the bag at the end of the day is invariably modest & used by the participants.
- Location
- West Somerset
32/5s or 34/4s, brand what ever is cheapest,
I can miss with all of them
I can miss with all of them
Ramrod
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- Location
- Skendleby Psalter, Lincolnshire
What leads you to believe it’s steel proof?
- Location
- Wiltshire
I thought that to be steel proofed the gun had to have either a fleur-de-lys or the word Steel on the barrel.
I suspect that it won’t be the law that drives the change to lead alternatives but the processors that the big shoots use. I am told that is what is happening in this area.
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I suspect that it won’t be the law that drives the change to lead alternatives but the processors that the big shoots use. I am told that is what is happening in this area.
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Ramrod
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- Location
- Skendleby Psalter, Lincolnshire
It’s not that straight forward, fleur de Lys or ‘steel proof or steel shot’ on barrels means High performance steel can be used. Standard steel can be used on most guns that are nitro proofed (not Damascus). It is recommended not to use a choke tighter than half (modified)
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