Silage / Straw / Hay Price Tracker

[Derrick Hughes]

Good for them, if that's what they are happy with. Personally i would stick it in the barn and leave it a year if need be , but I understand that some haven't got storage.

you can't stick 4000 acres in a barn and leave it .they run a business that has a lot of costs . they need secure pricing year on year . Most I know are selling bellow those headline prices but get more in a bad year as it works both ways

 

[Derrick Hughes]

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[DRC]

your the one who said I need to get over it . I do my best to help farmers both ends if that makes me an arse then I'm sorry you think that . I didn't intend to upset you

Yes, sorry. I was out of order. Please accept my apologies.
There's no excuse for being rude.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Yes, sorry. I was out of order. Please accept my apologies.
There's no excuse for being rude.

I got a bit carried away as so sorry for that

 

[lloyd]

Sold some good round bale oat at £14 only 10miles away from Tenbury auction
Looks cheap now!

 

[Farmerdunk]

Sold our pea straw this week, in 120x90 size, £18.50 a bale. Worked out about £53 a ton.

 

[Goweresque]

I have spoke to two big straw produces this week who want to draw up long term contacts a garanteed price month by month .
Straw has been up and down for years . they ain't interested in a one year bonanza an 4 years of crap. that's why so many have sighed up for £40 ton power contracts becouse they don't want to be like spud boys. one good year then shat on for 3 .

Its no good signing up the suppliers to a fixed price purchase contract unless you can sign matching supply contracts with buyers. And my guess is that no-one will want to pay the 'fair' price when the market price is half that in a glut year.

Its basic human psychology - people are more averse to losses than wins, so the 'loss' when they're paying over the market price will not be compensated for by the 'win' of paying under the market price in another year. Also people all think they are above average, so all will think they can buck the market and get a 'good deal' all the time. Hence getting buyers to sign fixed price contracts will be difficult.

Plus people will not want to lock themselves into buying X tonnes of straw for 5 years, because who knows what their personal/business situation might be by then? More cattle, less cattle, no cattle, who knows, especially with TB?

 

[willie waver]

That world is very rare these days. Why shouldn't straw be just like wheat or Barley, traded for the market price on the day.
Let's face it, the livestock men take their stock to market on the day they think they'll get the best price, never do they say, oh you can buy my cattle at the same price as last year because your loyal!
You need to get over it, straw is worth big money this year, and those of us with it are going to sell for the best price we can get. We are running businesses, not charities

actually there are plenty of farmers who sell their calves and stores direct to other farmers every year, doing exactly that

 

[roscoe erf]

Its no good signing up the suppliers to a fixed price purchase contract unless you can sign matching supply contracts with buyers. And my guess is that no-one will want to pay the 'fair' price when the market price is half that in a glut year.

Its basic human psychology - people are more averse to losses than wins, so the 'loss' when they're paying over the market price will not be compensated for by the 'win' of paying under the market price in another year. Also people all think they are above average, so all will think they can buck the market and get a 'good deal' all the time. Hence getting buyers to sign fixed price contracts will be difficult.

Plus people will not want to lock themselves into buying X tonnes of straw for 5 years, because who knows what their personal/business situation might be by then? More cattle, less cattle, no cattle, who knows, especially with TB?

nail on the f**king head

 

[goodevans]

there are those who sell to the highest bidder and those who sell a bit less in a good year and a bit more in a bad to a guy who's been having it for donkeys years and will bring is donkey back for many years to come. The guy who sells to the highest bidder this year will be moaning next year, there is no money in the job

but in reply to that why is straw different to grain or livestock we don't just take £120 ton for wheat this year because it might be £100 next and if you follow the livestock price tracker theres certainly no one on there that wants to take less than the current prices (I didn't say market prices as that may of been misinterpreted )

 

[Derrick Hughes]

but in reply to that why is straw different to grain or livestock we don't just take £120 ton for wheat this year because it might be £100 next and if you follow the livestock price tracker theirs certainly no one on there that wants to take less than the current prices (I didn't say market prices as that may of been misinterpreted )

straw I think is different to any other crop as it's so close to break even cost at harvest that it only takes a small shift donward in price to put a lot off baling .

 

[goodevans]

straw I think is different to any other crop as it's so close to break even cost at harvest that it only takes a small shift donward in price to put a lot off baling .

I sometimes think grain and livestock are below break even price but we still sell at market price

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I sometimes think grain and livestock are below break even price but we still sell at market price

yes but you don't look at livestock as a byproduct that you you preferer to plough under unless the price is favourable

 

[goodevans]

yes but you don't look at livestock as a byproduct that you you preferer to plough under unless the price is favourable

true

 

[Surgery]

all very well offered strong money , being paid for it going to be the issue

 

[4course]

all very well offered strong money , being paid for it going to be the issue

surely if you put it through an auction you will get paid as thats why commission is charged ,we have occassionally put a load up and never had any issues, we have occassionally done that with a spare load or 2

 

[Surgery]

surely if you put it through an auction you will get paid as thats why commission is charged ,we have occassionally put a load up and never had any issues, we have occassionally done that with a spare load or 2

Quite agree , always sold privately but thinking there's too much risk involved this year with some merchants

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Quite agree , always sold privately but thinking there's too much risk involved this year with some merchants

sell it by the bale payment before loading .

 

[Henarar]

straw at sedge today

round bale oat straw £16/bale

quad barley straw 120/ton

80 by 80 wheat straw 27/bale

quad wheat straw £37/bale

5 lots out of 12 sold

edit to say the first lot was on farm price the other 4 lots were delivered price

 

[Henarar]

hay at sedge today
round bales £14 £16 £9 £6 £13 £20 £12 £6

square bales £27 and £25

10 lots out 20 sold [I think]