Single Market / Customs Union - A Tragic Loss

[Martin Holden]

You underestimate the British public.

I hope I do! But in some parts food is just something that comes from shops or takeaways. A bit like cars; they come from a factory but most folk are buying the dream not the factory that makes it

 

[stewart]

I have replied at post 1072. Your comment Sir is glib. Cheers.

Your reply #1072 once again blames the EU for what is essentially a UK cock up.
The border between Eire and Northern Ireland, being the only land border between the EU and UK was always going to cause issues particularly with the past history and the GFA, putting up border posts between the two countries would cause endless problems and possibly a return to the troubles, surely no one in their right mind would want to go back there. The sensible solution would be a united Ireland, that is most unlikely to happen given the history, that then leaves the best place for a "border" the Irish Sea. Which brings us back to my post #1066.

 

[Hindsight]

Your reply #1072 once again blames the EU for what is essentially a UK cock up.
The border between Eire and Northern Ireland, being the only land border between the EU and UK was always going to cause issues particularly with the past history and the GFA, putting up border posts between the two countries would cause endless problems and possibly a return to the troubles, surely no one in their right mind would want to go back there. The sensible solution would be a united Ireland, that is most unlikely to happen given the history, that then leaves the best place for a "border" the Irish Sea. Which brings us back to my post #1066.

Another glib comment. No Sir. This is not a UK cock up. It is Jerry and Froggy exploiting the 100s of years of history in Ireland through the auspices of the EU. Dirty piece of business insisting a man in Lincolnshire cannot send a Pork Pie to his friend in another part of our country. Split a country (the UK) in half - dirty piece of politics. Hopefully our time will come when they want something back and we as a nation can say feck off.

In meantime must think of some obscure reason to have a clause in the New Zealand UK trade deal that makes is a requirement to have a phytosanitary inspection when sending a Pork Pie from Auckland to Christchurch. Am sure there is some transgression a couple of hundred years ago that will fit the bill.

 

[le bon paysan]

Another glib comment. No Sir. This is not a UK cock up. It is Jerry and Froggy exploiting the 100s of years of history in Ireland through the auspices of the EU. Dirty piece of business insisting a man in Lincolnshire cannot send a Pork Pie to his friend in another part of our country. Split a country (the UK) in half - dirty piece of politics. Hopefully our time will come when they want something back and we as a nation can say feck off.

In meantime must think of some obscure reason to have a clause in the New Zealand UK trade deal that makes is a requirement to have a phytosanitary inspection when sending a Pork Pie from Auckland to Christchurch. Am sure there is some transgression a couple of hundred years ago that will fit the bill.

It's really not.
TM knew the UK staying in the CU was the only way it would work.
You can't sign an agreement and choose to only comply with the parts that suit you.
Gove said they intended to do just that and here's the proof.
The Irish sea border was Boris's idea! Not the EUs. Barnier offered the UK as much time as you needed and you chucked it in his face and here we are.

 

[Hindsight]

It's really not.
TM knew the UK staying in the CU was the only way it would work.
You can't sign an agreement and choose to only comply with the parts that suit you.
Gove said they intended to do just that and here's the proof.
The Irish sea border was Boris's idea! Not the EUs. Barnier offered the UK as much time as you needed and you chucked it in his face and here we are.

For one pot plant from a Briton to a Briton. No LBP this is Jerry and Froggy making a point. Dicks both countries.

 

[le bon paysan]

For one pot plant from a Briton to a Briton. No LBP this is Jerry and Froggy making a point. Dicks both countries.

It's really not and Boris knew this would be the result of the deal. ( If he didn't he's incompetent) So it's contrived and there's an agenda. Boris's agenda, designed to benefit him, his mates and the Tory party , no one else is relevant. Not you , me or anyone not in ' the club'.

 

[Farm buy]

You underestimate the British public.

Another glib comment. No Sir. This is not a UK cock up. It is Jerry and Froggy exploiting the 100s of years of history in Ireland through the auspices of the EU. Dirty piece of business insisting a man in Lincolnshire cannot send a Pork Pie to his friend in another part of our country. Split a country (the UK) in half - dirty piece of politics. Hopefully our time will come when they want something back and we as a nation can say feck off.

In meantime must think of some obscure reason to have a clause in the New Zealand UK trade deal that makes is a requirement to have a phytosanitary inspection when sending a Pork Pie from Auckland to Christchurch. Am sure there is some transgression a couple of hundred years ago that will fit the bill.

I feel that one of the major problems that the Uk always had was its in inability to get a suitable deal from the EU , and once again Borris and Frost negoitated a deal that have harm done to the UK as whole. Borris has said last Christmas that the UK will prosper mightly from his deal. Has he just poor foresight to have agreed these conditions, or if he has any sort of foresight perhaps he does not care.
Your sentence (Split a country (theUK) in half- dirty piece of politics) could easily have been said by the Irish.

 

[Hindsight]

Your sentence (Split a country (theUK) in half- dirty piece of politics) could easily have been said by the Irish.

Hows that? By Irish who do you mean? Eire or UK citizens in Northern Ireland, or the Irish as inhabitants of the whole island of Ireland. Just so I can try to clarify and understand what you mean.

 

[stewart]

Another glib comment. No Sir. This is not a UK cock up. It is Jerry and Froggy exploiting the 100s of years of history in Ireland through the auspices of the EU. Dirty piece of business insisting a man in Lincolnshire cannot send a Pork Pie to his friend in another part of our country. Split a country (the UK) in half - dirty piece of politics. Hopefully our time will come when they want something back and we as a nation can say feck off.

In meantime must think of some obscure reason to have a clause in the New Zealand UK trade deal that makes is a requirement to have a phytosanitary inspection when sending a Pork Pie from Auckland to Christchurch. Am sure there is some transgression a couple of hundred years ago that will fit the bill.

You just don't seem to get it. there is effectively a customs border between NI and the rest of the UK, as such goods have to meet requirements to be "exported". The years of history in Ireland have caused the problem not the EU.
What other solution would you suggest other than the one now in place? Surely you cannot want to see a border between NI and Eire, this would cause no end of problems, far more than a pork pie or an organic hamper would cause.

 

[Martin Holden]

Ikea boss warns tariffs will lead to higher prices https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56296028

It’s not just the UK and the EU! Trade spats and protection is right across the globe and these tensions are only growing. I suspect the huge economic growth witnessed these last 20/40 years in China particularly has been the seat of much of this, but the western world is two faced- we have used the cheap production site that is China, now we complain about it. Can’t have it both ways

 

[Hindsight]

You just don't seem to get it. there is effectively a customs border between NI and the rest of the UK, as such goods have to meet requirements to be "exported". The years of history in Ireland have caused the problem not the EU.
What other solution would you suggest other than the one now in place? Surely you cannot want to see a border between NI and Eire, this would cause no end of problems, far more than a pork pie or an organic hamper would cause.

Sir, I do get it, always got it.

I understand about the 'export' of goods across a customs border. I understand protectionist market policies. I understand EU commissars and more importantly Napoleon and Mutti wanting to flex their political muscles. I understand wanting to prevent thousands of containers with Chinese and New Zealand goods manufactured to standards failing to comply with EU standards sneaking in over a land border having landed at UK docks. Yes, I understand that.

I also see the individual Briton. I see how my Pork Pie cannot be sent to another part of my country without passing a phytosanitary inspection that was not necessary for the same item a few weeks ago., effectively imposed by Jerry and Froggy. My fellow Briton not able to access her favourite food hamper due to additional cost in case that food hamper were to start a plague in the livestock and populace of the EU27. Might kill 'em all off. I see my potatoes having to have same before they can be made into chips in Belfast.

So, one Pork Pie, one hamper for private consumption, no accommodation from the Commissars of the EU to the ordinary citizen of a 'third country' to send a Pork Pie.

Has told me much about the real politics of the EU27 empire.

If this was the USA or UK imposing something similar in New Zealand you would be off belching to the UN.

Makes no effect what I think. You are correct the Politics of the World have just ridden roughshod over the common man.

We shall move on. You wait young man when New Zealand has some issue imposed on it - don't come bellyaching expecting commiseration.

Regards.

 

[Pasty]

You just don't seem to get it. there is effectively a customs border between NI and the rest of the UK, as such goods have to meet requirements to be "exported". The years of history in Ireland have caused the problem not the EU.
What other solution would you suggest other than the one now in place? Surely you cannot want to see a border between NI and Eire, this would cause no end of problems, far more than a pork pie or an organic hamper would cause.

Maybe we should elect a chick with a dick as our PM like you lot did to sort it out.

 

[Ashtree]

Maybe we should elect a chick with a dick as our PM like you lot did to sort it out.

As opposed to the dick with chick, your lot elected.

 

[Farm buy]

Hows that? By Irish who do you mean? Eire or UK citizens in Northern Ireland, or the Irish as inhabitants of the whole island of Ireland. Just so I can try to clarify and understand what you mean.

Partition of Ireland
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Political map of Ireland
The partition of Ireland (Irish: críochdheighilt na hÉireann) was the process by which the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland divided Ireland into two self-governing polities: Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland (now Republic of Ireland). It took place on 3 May 1921 .....
Its result was a civil war in the republic , Agreement imposed are never a good idea by unelected people.
Why is Frosty the main man now , a unelected civil servant. Brexit vote was partially based on the fact that unelected people in the Eu were the problem

 

[Pasty]

As opposed to the dick with chick, your lot elected.

Nice one.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Sir, I do get it, always got it.

I understand about the 'export' of goods across a customs border. I understand protectionist market policies. I understand EU commissars and more importantly Napoleon and Mutti wanting to flex their political muscles. I understand wanting to prevent thousands of containers with Chinese and New Zealand goods manufactured to standards failing to comply with EU standards sneaking in over a land border having landed at UK docks. Yes, I understand that.

I also see the individual Briton. I see how my Pork Pie cannot be sent to another part of my country without passing a phytosanitary inspection that was not necessary for the same item a few weeks ago., effectively imposed by Jerry and Froggy. My fellow Briton not able to access her favourite food hamper due to additional cost in case that food hamper were to start a plague in the livestock and populace of the EU27. Might kill 'em all off. I see my potatoes having to have same before they can be made into chips in Belfast.

So, one Pork Pie, one hamper for private consumption, no accommodation from the Commissars of the EU to the ordinary citizen of a 'third country' to send a Pork Pie.

Has told me much about the real politics of the EU27 empire.

If this was the USA or UK imposing something similar in New Zealand you would be off belching to the UN.

Makes no effect what I think. You are correct the Politics of the World have just ridden roughshod over the common man.

We shall move on. You wait young man when New Zealand has some issue imposed on it - don't come bellyaching expecting commiseration.

Regards.

We know what the problem is. What is your solution? From what I can see Frost is working on pushing the customs border back so that it comes between RoI and the continent, rather than NI and GB.

 

[Mek]

FFS what were Brexiters expecting when they voted for Brexit. Did they really think that things would just carry on the same but without the UK paying into the EU. The EU are applying the rules and regs as they’ve always existed. The Irish Sea border is a UK invention. If no deal is better than a bad deal why didn’t the uk go with no deal . The truth is that any deal is better than no deal.

 

[stewart]

Maybe we should elect a chick with a dick as our PM like you lot did to sort it out.

You can have her if you want!

 

[Hindsight]

We know what the problem is. What is your solution? From what I can see Frost is working no pushing the customs border back so that it comes between RoI and the continent, rather than NI and GB.

If the EU, for which I will insert Paris and Berlin, wanted to be adult an accommodation could be found to allow and enable normal day to day activities of the citizens of Northern Ireland (citizens of UK), such that a Pork Pie found in Melton Mowbray TESCO could equally be found in any part of the UK, including TESCO Belfast without having acquire an EU phytosanitary certificate. Without jeopardizing the health of 350 million Europeans frit to death of a Melton Mowbray Pork Pie. And so the little lady could continue to receive her monthly organic hamper. But no that is not the game, is it? You will say Johnson and his Brexiters have lied. So they may have. But the European heads of state seem intent on revenge - little statesmanship there. Ah well. .

 

[bobk]

If the EU, for which I will insert Paris and Berlin, wanted to be adult an accommodation could be found to allow and enable normal day to day activities of the citizens of Northern Ireland (citizens of UK), such that a Pork Pie found in Melton Mowbray TESCO could equally be found in any part of the UK, including TESCO Belfast without having acquire an EU phytosanitary certificate. Without jeopardizing the health of 350 million Europeans frit to death of a Melton Mowbray Pork Pie. And so the little lady could continue to receive her monthly organic hamper. But no that is not the game, is it? You will say Johnson and his Brexiters have lied. So they may have. But the European heads of state seem intent on revenge - little statesmanship there. Ah well. .

I think we should grease a few Spitfires up , just as a friendly hint