Some worming advise Please

As above really I have a small batch of 20 march born lambs, these are the last left so not the best doers
had some awful worm issues from the last autumn, whereas they get really mucky, I worm them they dry up and look better for a month then back where I started
First year I have ever tried a break dose with zolvex and that hasn't helped, I was hoping that would solve my problems £400 later no better
I have some lambs of different breeding on other land and are a picture of health.
Also when I bring my ewes home would you recommend worming them? all looking super fit a little on the fat side
Some years I do some other years I don't worm any....Thanks in advance
 

Jerry

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Devon
Yes done fecs twice on that batch very high,no point this time its Worms

sorry, not sure I understand.

You’ve find FECS and they are high, but you say no point as worm burden high?

What are FEC saying? What worms?

And Zolvix making no impact in worm burdens?
 
Sorry ...yes I had a worried sounding vet on the phone saying go worm them today, The figure I remember was 1200 that he was concerned about but don't remember which worms they were
Zolvex had no more impact than Oramec
They're back where they were absolute nightmare
 

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
Have you tested for coccy? It's winter, but conditions have been mild, all things considered. There was a poor doer here that responded to a dose of vecoxan last month. He'd been unfortunate to catch a late hatch of nematode beforehand.
 

BAF

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Livestock Farmer
Have you tested for coccy? It's winter, but conditions have been mild, all things considered. There was a poor doer here that responded to a dose of vecoxan last month. He'd been unfortunate to catch a late hatch of nematode beforehand.
Had just this. Had a bought in cade lamb that had been running with his mother and the rest of the flock but she didn't have enough milk for him so I ended up bottle feeding him. Got him weaned and chucked in with another batch of 5 bought in cades. Out of nowhere he came really dirty and went very sorry looking. Spoke to the bloke he came off and he has problems with cocci so I dosed the bunch with trolacol and that cleared him up. Then about 3 months later he had another bout. Dosed him with a left over dose of trolacol and he's dried up and has put the weight back on that he'd dropped. Once he's out of his withdrawal he's off to the market!
 
Zolvex does dry them up for a month or so,I have dosed them in the yard and kept them there for 48hours then onto a rested field
I think I shall need to take samples to the vet and check for cocci or fluke
never thought of fluke being high up on dry ground,
but good point
Big worry what to do with that ground next year, that's some good cheap grazing
am I likely to get the same problems next year?
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Zolvex does dry them up for a month or so,I have dosed them in the yard and kept them there for 48hours then onto a rested field
I think I shall need to take samples to the vet and check for cocci or fluke
never thought of fluke being high up on dry ground,
but good point
Big worry what to do with that ground next year, that's some good cheap grazing
am I likely to get the same problems next year?

Zolvix, like any other (still) effective wormer except Cydectin, will only kill out the worms that are in the sheep.
If the pasture is heavily infested then they will be picking up worms the next day, which will be producing eggs within weeks.

Zolvix isn’t a cure for heavily contaminated pastures, it’s just an anthelmintic, like all the others.
 

SteveHants

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Livestock Farmer
Have you done a fecal egg count reducing test after worming?

It'll help you to work out which, if any anthelmintics your worms are resistant to. Usually you do them at 10 or so days after (except with levamisole, which is 5). How long are you leaving them before you change the pasture

I find the Zolvix thing quite worrying - especially if you have resistant worms. I'd have brought them in to worm and then burned the straw.

Edit: Nevermind, I see you put them on the yard to Zolvix
 

aangus

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Location
cumbria
Zolvex does dry them up for a month or so,I have dosed them in the yard and kept them there for 48hours then onto a rested field
I think I shall need to take samples to the vet and check for cocci or fluke
never thought of fluke being high up on dry ground,
but good point
Big worry what to do with that ground next year, that's some good cheap grazing
am I likely to get the same problems next year?
Is the ground cheap if your having this problem?
 
Thanks, everyone, I will get some samples to the vets today, and let's see what's going on.
so what shall I do with this new block of pasture? I'm going to get the same problems next year surely?
There were sheep on it before ours, probably a bad move
 

aangus

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Location
cumbria
Thanks, everyone, I will get some samples to the vets today, and let's see what's going on.
so what shall I do with this new block of pasture? I'm going to get the same problems next year surely?
There were sheep on it before ours, probably a bad move
Buy some expensive fertiliser and put it on at home, let someone else have the problem
 

Jerry

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Devon
Thanks, everyone, I will get some samples to the vets today, and let's see what's going on.
so what shall I do with this new block of pasture? I'm going to get the same problems next year surely?
There were sheep on it before ours, probably a bad move

Cattle on it will help reduce worm burden to a degree. As would a plough and catch crop in front of a reseed.

But nothing is 100% guaranteed
 

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
Thanks, everyone, I will get some samples to the vets today, and let's see what's going on.
so what shall I do with this new block of pasture? I'm going to get the same problems next year surely?
There were sheep on it before ours, probably a bad move

Would you be able to find out the dosing regime used by the previous grazier? Allowed to put cattle out there to hoover, and take a light, lateish cut?
 
Ok just back from the vet FECS showing tiny traces of cocci, worm count under 350
She has sent samples away for fluke, as I said we are on really well-drained chalk here not sure anyone thinks of fluke
but can't be ruled out, then probably bloods see if they're low in anything.
so hopefully lands not too infested, yes maybe get some calves out there in the spring,then cut some for hay
 

rancher

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Location
Ireland
Ok just back from the vet FECS showing tiny traces of cocci, worm count under 350
She has sent samples away for fluke, as I said we are on really well-drained chalk here not sure anyone thinks of fluke
but can't be ruled out, then probably bloods see if they're low in anything.
so hopefully lands not too infested, yes maybe get some calves out there in the spring,then cut some for hay
350 isn't high, we wouldn't dose until they're 500 without any loss of thrive.
You should do a post dose FEC well, it's important that the FEC is reduced by over 95% after dosing other wise you're only increasing wormer resistance with every dose. It's vital to know which doses are effective in the battle against wormer resistance.
Their mmunity could be compromised due to mineral deficiencies or fluke. 350 is not a high enough count to be affecting them
 

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